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Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Panopticom » Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:26 am

Hello,

Video of ROS running on the T23: https://youtu.be/LfPtI7xlnKA

I am trying to get ROS 4.9 running on an older T23 instead of WinXP. I am planning to make a video tutorial about how far I am getting and how usable it is. The laptop: https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T23

So far:
1. Burned the install CD and tried to install it: worked but got a blue screen when booting (already feelz like Windows) .
2. Second try: deleting all existing partitions and creating everything from scratch with default settings --> it worked no problem. ROS runs, but we miss drivers (display, sound, Ethernet etc.)

Downloaded drivers from https://download.lenovo.com/lenovo/cont ... m/T23.html on my regular PC

Questions:
So now... how do I get these drivers onto the T23 because USB drives don't seem to be recognized. I did format them with fat32 but they don't appear in 'my computer', nothing happens when I am plugging them in. USB controllers are recognized in hardware. Ethernet doesn't work as well. My last old CD-RW got spend on the ReactOS installer.

I hope we get far with this project.

So far:
https://i.imgur.com/SgoDDjQ.jpg
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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by karlexceed » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:21 am

Whelp, that laptop has four practical candidate methods for moving files in or out: network, USB, CD/DVD, or serial.

Network isn't working, USB isn't working, and serial isn't going to work in this case either. So that leaves us with using CDs, but you've run out.

I'd suggest trying one of the vgal USB builds to see if you could use USB for moving files then, but you'd need another disc for that as well...

I think you need to go buy some more discs. :lol:

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by binarymaster » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:47 am

1. Download XP driver for your network card
2. Burn driver files into CD
3. ...
4. PROFIT!!! :D

After that you'll probably be able to transfer all other files over network.
karlexceed wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:21 am
I think you need to go buy some more discs. :lol:
Just use rewritable CD-RW's. ;)

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Panopticom » Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:35 pm

Alright, back in business, found an old CD and it has a small number of files on it, but wasn't finalized so I could add the driver pack to it and I am copying it unto the T23 right now.

Regarding USB support: nothing works on the ports, no external mouse or keyboard (expect a USB lamp so we have power). Is USB in general not supported by ROS?

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Panopticom » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:45 pm

Success: Ethernet works and FF48 runs (newer version don't support PIII anymore) so we have access to the web.

Tried to install S3 video driver but got a blue-screen at boot, so had to reinstall (recovery console does not work either), thankfully just 10m.

Audio drivers are installed, but still no sound? Says no audio mixer available?

PCMCIA also not working (not even power on the Wi-Fi card)

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by karlexceed » Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:53 pm

USB support is very unstable currently.

From https://reactos.org/wiki/USB:
Warning: With current versions of ReactOS, USB support is NOT advanced enough to successfully work with USB flash-drives, web-cameras and etc. Please mind that system may crash due problem caused by USB-device. Please, if possible, avoid using USB devices together with ReactOS, unless you know what you are doing.
https://reactos.org/wiki/USB_Stack
https://reactos.org/wiki/Supported_USB_Devices

VGal's USB builds:
http://vgal.ru.com/reactos-0-4-7-new-usb/
https://www.reactos.org/forum/search.ph ... mit=Search

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Panopticom » Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:53 pm

This part of the wiki says that USB sticks are supported but the other version says it isn't.
USB Mass Storage is implemented in USBSTOR driver and is fully working. Tested in WinXP + USBEHCI + USBSTOR. Mass storage support requires bulk and control transfers, which are implemented in USBEHCI.
https://reactos.org/wiki/USB_Stack

ReactOS has an app-manager like Linux and I did get some programs to run like 7-zip, Foxit reader, Diablo II Demo (limited colors and no sound) & LibreOffice (slow).

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by karlexceed » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:54 pm

The fact that there are conflicting reports should only reinforce my assertion that USB support is unstable.

From that same page you quoted:
USB Mass storage support – Needs mountmgr / partmgr driver implemented. Will also need mountvol and other missing PnP stuff. - needs a few more issues to be resolved
But then that page was last updated January 2016.

This is the nature of alpha release software... It's for testing only. A new patch today could cause a regression that breaks something tomorrow.

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Julcar » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:36 pm

Panopticom wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:53 pm
This part of the wiki says that USB sticks are supported but the other version says it isn't.
USB Mass Storage is implemented in USBSTOR driver and is fully working. Tested in WinXP + USBEHCI + USBSTOR. Mass storage support requires bulk and control transfers, which are implemented in USBEHCI.
https://reactos.org/wiki/USB_Stack

ReactOS has an app-manager like Linux and I did get some programs to run like 7-zip, Foxit reader, Diablo II Demo (limited colors and no sound) & LibreOffice (slow).
Let me clear some things: although ReactOS has implemented a basic and functional USB stack and USBStor driver, these were written over virtual machine tests, that is why a lot of devices can work with ReactOS being executed in QEMU or VirtualBox, but in real hardware environment the things changes, every computer has its own usb implementation, and there is no standard specification, so some cases just cannot be handled by the current USB stack, I would recommend you get a debug log of the boot of your system (debugging to file) and see if there are any usb related entries (at least a few are important) and then file a report in jira bug tracker, so, the future usb developers can have some start points.

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by EmuandCo » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:50 pm

The standard offical ISOs wont make much fun in USB matters. The most recent builds with vgal's USB Stack are these we used @ Chemnitz Linux Days this year: https://sourceforge.net/projects/reacto ... 8-CLT2018/

Try em
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ReactOS is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not feature-complete and is recommended only for evaluation and testing purposes.

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Julcar » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am

Vgal's patches should be included in the trunk in my opinion

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by ctasan » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:12 am

Julcar wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am
Vgal's patches should be included in the trunk in my opinion
Patience, patience. A massive review is needed before merging.


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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Panopticom » Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:01 pm

Video of the installation with drivers setup, testing some system settings and programs like Firefox, Diablo II, Wordpad, MS Excel viewer etc.

https://youtu.be/LfPtI7xlnKA

So far feels like an older Linux, some drivers are working, some are not, and some apps work, but still in Alpha.

Notably absent: USB support, S3 video driver crashes system (and generic vga driver is slow), audio driver is installed but no sound except startup jingle.

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Re: Project Install ReactOS 4.9 on a ThinkPad T23 instead of WindowsXP

Post by Julcar » Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:15 pm

Panopticom wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:01 pm
Video of the installation with drivers setup, testing some system settings and programs like Firefox, Diablo II, Wordpad, MS Excel viewer etc.

https://youtu.be/LfPtI7xlnKA

So far feels like an older Linux, some drivers are working, some are not, and some apps work, but still in Alpha.

Notably absent: USB support, S3 video driver crashes system (and generic vga driver is slow), audio driver is installed but no sound except startup jingle.
That is the "purpose" of testing, see what is not working and file the reports onto the bug tracker

despite the "old" style, you are viewing the default style, currently are efforts to make a modern theme for the shell

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