Two pages about a perfectly valid icon, there are more replies than vertical pixels.middings wrote:I disagree.Swyter wrote:This is a perfect example of bikeshedding.
Poll: My Documents Icon
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My Documents is a useful folder, however, there is no compatibility requirement for Music and Videos folders be in My Documents. It is a UX thing, and may differ without breaking compatibility. After all, it is just a default folder whose path stored on registry for use of productive apps. User profile root, is movable too therefore My Documents may even point outside the user's home directory. I had such a setup in order to access my files easily both from Windows XP and Linux multi-booted.
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Well, I think the icons are trivial in comparison with the rest of the OS and almost see the constant voting about them as a distraction. If everyone wants to do something, start with the icons that truly are ugly or blurry. There's no need to fix what is not broken.Swyter wrote:This is a perfect example of bikeshedding. Let's concentrate on the loads of sub-par icons and small UX pitfalls, and once everything is decent we can think of little details for small cognitive metaphors.
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Except all the blurry icons are gone. But I agree with not touching the icons that are fine.PurpleGurl wrote:Well, I think the icons are trivial in comparison with the rest of the OS and almost see the constant voting about them as a distraction. If everyone wants to do something, start with the icons that truly are ugly or blurry. There's no need to fix what is not broken.Swyter wrote:This is a perfect example of bikeshedding. Let's concentrate on the loads of sub-par icons and small UX pitfalls, and once everything is decent we can think of little details for small cognitive metaphors.
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Where did "the Internet home page" come in to any of this? I don't remember any earlier posts indicating there could be confusion between the My Documents folder (with current icon) and "the Internet home page". I indicated that the current icon made me think of the 'home directory' as used on linux/unix/etc. Operating Systems, but that's a folder where the user's files are generally stored, not anything to do with "the Internet home page".PurpleGurl wrote:The house on the current one is silly. It isn't about the Internet home page at all.
Agreed.Swyter wrote:This is a perfect example of bikeshedding.
If someone wants to post an icon and ask if people like it, that's fine, but a) it would be smart to work on the icons that need work (e.g. all the missing/blank ones in different toolbars and whatnot) and b) there's no reason a post about a potential icon replacement should get people saying that we should remove the feature that the icon represents, or debating what the folder means, or claiming that something may or may not be needed for compatibility, or discussing the differences and similarities between different versions of Windows (unless it's actually directly relevant to why the icon change is being suggested) or ... anything else really. The responses should be about the icon, and what people like or dislike about the different versions of it.
Agreed.PurpleGurl wrote:There's no need to fix what is not broken.
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My opinions were original, coming from myself and the icon itself, not what anyone said. Houses in nearly any icon implementation usually refers to a "home page." I'd be more likely to associate roots with a home directory, but I've never used the phrase "home directory." Like most regular users in the US, I don't use Linux/Unix, so using metaphors from that world is likely to alienate or at least be lost on Windows users.justincase wrote:Where did "the Internet home page" come in to any of this? I don't remember any earlier posts indicating there could be confusion between the My Documents folder (with current icon) and "the Internet home page". I indicated that the current icon made me think of the 'home directory' as used on linux/unix/etc. Operating Systems, but that's a folder where the user's files are generally stored, not anything to do with "the Internet home page".PurpleGurl wrote:The house on the current one is silly. It isn't about the Internet home page at all.
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Sorry, I was just confused because the way that you brought it up sounded like you were referring back to some previously mentioned point, and I didn't see it anywhere, and I personally don't find it to seem "home page" like at all (this is the desktop and/or filesystem we're looking at, not a browser, why would there be a "home page"), so I was wondering where you got the idea that anyone was confusing it with a "home page" icon. (You didn't state that you had been confused by it at all.)
Also, there are a lot of people in the US who have had contact with Linux, but know very little about it, and are inexperienced enough with computers that they may not realize that ReactOS doesn't pull concepts from Linux, and I would think that these are the kind of people who might get confused by the 'house' on the folder, as opposed to people who don't have previous experience with non-Windows systems, as they would have no notion of a 'home directory', and many would likely not even notice bother noticing what was on the front of the folder in the icon.
(For instance, I am familiar enough with Windows that I read "My Documents" and I knew exactly what it was, and never registered the fact that ReactOS' icon for it had a house on the front until I read oldman's post that first mentioned it, at which point I looked at the icon as if it were standalone and realized that it's basically the "home" folder icon from the "Tango!" icon set. - See this for example.)
Also, there are a lot of people in the US who have had contact with Linux, but know very little about it, and are inexperienced enough with computers that they may not realize that ReactOS doesn't pull concepts from Linux, and I would think that these are the kind of people who might get confused by the 'house' on the folder, as opposed to people who don't have previous experience with non-Windows systems, as they would have no notion of a 'home directory', and many would likely not even notice bother noticing what was on the front of the folder in the icon.
(For instance, I am familiar enough with Windows that I read "My Documents" and I knew exactly what it was, and never registered the fact that ReactOS' icon for it had a house on the front until I read oldman's post that first mentioned it, at which point I looked at the icon as if it were standalone and realized that it's basically the "home" folder icon from the "Tango!" icon set. - See this for example.)
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I hope I didn't come across as insulting. I wasn't "confused." I considered that aspect of the icon inappropriate. That was all I was saying.justincase wrote:Sorry, I was just confused because the way that you brought it up sounded like you were referring back to some previously mentioned point, and I didn't see it anywhere, and I personally don't find it to seem "home page" like at all (this is the desktop and/or filesystem we're looking at, not a browser, why would there be a "home page"), so I was wondering where you got the idea that anyone was confusing it with a "home page" icon. (You didn't state that you had been confused by it at all.)
Also, there are a lot of people in the US who have had contact with Linux, but know very little about it, and are inexperienced enough with computers that they may not realize that ReactOS doesn't pull concepts from Linux, and I would think that these are the kind of people who might get confused by the 'house' on the folder, as opposed to people who don't have previous experience with non-Windows systems, as they would have no notion of a 'home directory', and many would likely not even notice bother noticing what was on the front of the folder in the icon.
(For instance, I am familiar enough with Windows that I read "My Documents" and I knew exactly what it was, and never registered the fact that ReactOS' icon for it had a house on the front until I read oldman's post that first mentioned it, at which point I looked at the icon as if it were standalone and realized that it's basically the "home" folder icon from the "Tango!" icon set. - See this for example.)
As for non-Linux people, still since they haven't used Linux, they wouldn't get what a house would have to do with one's personal files. I'd be more personally likely to use a heart, but that might be confused with "favorite" stuff.
I never noticed the house until this thread and the comparison of this icon with the proposed ones.
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I would recommend removing the paper outside the folder and making the inside papers less wavy
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Like the folder EOLITE in this image http://kolibrios.org/en/screen?jonaspm wrote:I would recommend removing the paper outside the folder and making the inside papers less wavy
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"Like the folder EOLITE in this image http://kolibrios.org/en/screen?" except from the same angle that the current icon is, not the ... sort of sideways angle that the "EOLITE" folder is viewed from, and maybe two/three pages instead of just one.
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