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► (1/3) ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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WindowsXP Fans
Lets STOP TRYING TO MAKE ReactOS the same as Windows XP & if you wish to play in the XP world a theme editor should be made for all windows themes up to Windows metro. (Lets STOP the best OS fight and make a editor for all windows editions & beyond) as its not really right for React teams to say they will never put metro style option for this OS.


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► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪
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INTRO:
Please note: To everyone reading thread. Thank you, for taken the time out of your busy day to read from- Blue. :)

(MESSAGE TO DEVELOPERS)
Publicly open OS like React should look into the feel of the OS more, this way it brings in new developers in & we need a better way of giving out information about what has been done in the past from other developers & what bumps they have run into long the way. (This way a person with more experience may fix the error quicker if they have a floor plan. This builds the community outwards when it comes to developing on it & people reviewing the code will have better understand of another developers coding style(S). (JIRA is not the best way to do it if you wish to suggest that root).

(CORE FORUM USERS)
Look & feel is a big part of the reason people have change to new platforms & support the people building with growing the OS builders community outwards, (DO NOT MISSUNDESTAND and think I'm saying they are not doing a good job), Now with so much going on & nothing really being done on getting around to ironing out the smoothness for the Basic End User. This is starting to be a big problem & not having people want to come back for many years if at all. ► (Meaning people that might of supported in the beta has already left or going to leave, have dropped off the Support list that could of helped). This might make doing improvements come in slower & not as fast as it could have been with giving a limit to the community support at large. (YOU MIGHT NOT SEE AT THIS TIME). This would also bring in more builders wanting to work on the ReactOS, other than working on there own project(S) for themselves that is already working in C++ etc.. like Unix/Linux project code that never gets shared with the community... Even though its still in beta stage(S). Now this does not mean it can't have better floor plans for support built into the root idea around ReactOS. This is what i would like to see coming in the build days ahead.

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ReactOS new suggestions:
Desktop Category lock
1. Everyone knows when there desktop gets moved around & they don't like & have to re-organize, by right clicking on view there should be a category lock box that can be turned off & on. Once its turned on you can right click on your desktop icons & lock them into place so they do not move. Now by doing this will open a new option when right clicking on your icons that will only appear once the category lock is turned on!
SYSTEM BOOTUP:
Boot-loader
2. Please add a Advance dial-log option by hitting F8 or whatever you pick on the boot-loader this way non-builders will not see this area without hitting the advanced option key. (Not a big thing but it would make the OS Boot-loader look more clean) in my opinion.

When Booting up ReactOS
3. Change Reacts loading screen bar color from white to a darker color & also add Animation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWlrz1eE ... e=youtu.be ReactOSLogo by Whitequill Riclo
APPLICATION CENTER:
Software Updater
4. As you might know the ReactOS is limited & can't allows use up to date software. So we could Allow a software updater to have Scan rights to the ReactOS Applications Manager this could help maintain our operation system & help keep it stable. All builds in Alpha state should give a updated OS to replace the old one & give copy of the old main OS in C: Drive.

ReactOS Applications Manager
5. When looking over the Available for installation list, there is allot of old software that should be moved over to its own table. Example: Categories "Office", "Drivers" and "Development" etc.. There should be category called "Old versions. Maybe give the OS application manager a point arrow that will expend and show the old software versions on a drop list. (Hopefully that is clear enough).

Basic image example that can be tweaked below:
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Milon: About the richedit bugs: Look at JIRA and search for 'richedit'. There's a bunch of bugs just dealing with the ReactOS richedit control. I'm positive it's not a VirtualBox problem since I run WinXP in VirtualBox at my work, and I've had no trouble with richedit controls there. That means it's a ROS bug.
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ReactOS Applications Manager
6. The recommended links are not click-able in the manager, as you see in the image above. Please make the website to go to links click-able. Black-Fox said it could be do to a ReactOS richedit bug.

ReactOs Internet explore
7. This topic has been completed & can not be done!

When installing the ReactOS you will notice no internet explore. Add (Wine Internet Explorer) shortcut to the desktop. Z98 Said: Wine since we get it from Wine. Question: Z98 is there anyway around doing this for (Example:) the Microsoft Skype product gives a installer icon on the desktop on a new pre-installed computer is there anyway of adding a Wine system like that to the ReactOS? Other than having it auto detect on install for you. This way the product is not installed until you wish it to be or you can remove the icon & never install just like the pre-installed OEM computer SYSTEMs. I think that might be a better way of doing this, since Wine is set to your default to download once the ReachOS has been detected & installed & auto actives offers the user a software notice. when the system has network hooked-up... This way even hitting next click box, the pop-up will notice and active the icon download linking to be auto removed & replace with a active one that opens the app... I might be thinking over my head! Since Wine updates their platform so often...
Black_Fox wrote: WINE libraries cannot be "installed" on ReactOS, they are a part of ReactOS source code, added by developers. The thing that can be installed in the end of the GUI wizard is only WINE browser support.
ReactOS DESIGN PROBLEMS:
OS Search Interaction
8. Have you ever notice when trying to backspace etc.. inside the system it does not responded back to you with mouse clicks? This might be due from the Operating System losing the folder & address locations. - (AKA System tray information could be improved on). This does not work in my Oracle VM VirtualBox V4.3.10

Desktop Refresh edit type actions like deleting
9. Once you delete a item or items once the act-ion is completed the screen should refresh for you. This way we don't see the old deleted data that has been left over because the OS did not refresh the screen to show the action take place on it's own acored.

Folder Active Linking
10. In many areas in the OS it does not show active icons that meaning my example. Right click (View) there is no dot showing what size is picked & active & Adding no to this - there is no medium desktop view.

ReactOS Explore
11. (A) Add the ReactOS main OS tools into Administrative tools that is under the start menu.
(B) Remove when right clicking on task menu bar "About explore..." as the extra box does not need to be there!
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Compressed zipped folder
12. Please add a compression zip into where we right click & make new folders.

Screen size recommended
13. Please make a recommended screen resolution & make the default color setting auto True Color (32 bit) when installing the OS for the first time. - (Community Question): Could this be a VM VitrualBox issue on having the default auto set itself to 16 bit?

Virtual Memory
14. (A) There is [NO] active information in Virtual Memory.
(B) There is [NO] Active Automatically manage paging file size for all drives.


Black_FOX said: [NO] active information in Virtual Memory. This information has recently been added into daily builds (http://prntscr.com/3cdra5

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Volume Control Sound
15. The ReactOS system does not recognize if NO speakers are plugged in the computer & does not X out the speaker icon!. Also since your at it system icons Example: Volume Control etc.. Could be updated to look better in the OS & make it feel more like whoever is working on it cares about there project more!

Choose Explorer windows mode
16. SDI (Single Document Interface) - This option does not work & when you try to open my computer the whole box will turn white & you will have to put MDI (Multiple Document Interface) Back on for you to engage in the operating system once again once you close the area you where in of course. (This might be My VM VirtualBox Problem!)

Display Limits
17. When opening apps like the "Properties for Display" , "My Computer" etc... sometimes they wall hide under the menu toolbar when opening at times, this should not happen & needs to be fixed unless the user has moved the app into that possession themselves. At this time anytime you open up any kind of app it will randomly open up on the desktop display with no set placements. - Maybe have a save app placements on desktop until system has restarted for all system apps... When doing so apps still should open up in set placements other than turning random... (This also can be a problem when you put apps into full screen).

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System tools
18. ReactOS built in system tools tab for later use. Even though it might not be used right away, it still can have a message saying this area will be used later on.

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Folder Options:
19. Control panel > Folder Options > View tab... There is nothing inside the "Advanced settings:" folder option pick box to even do anything with it. This should be addressed... along side that being said. The click action boxes for example like "Advanced" or "Restore" does not even bring out a pop-up box when clicked on, saying at lest do you wish to (Reset all options to default). no pop-up box... in other words its just placed in the system with no real backing placed on it, other than to have it feel little more like windows 3.1...

Double Boxed
20. Remove the double boxing, as its overly annoying to ME!... That's my opinion now If it bugs anyone else. Please let the developers know in this thread also!. That way the developers might fix it faster for us! As it drives me Bananas. :P As there is no option to changed it from happening inside ReactOS design sage.

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Re: What i like to see ReactOS start fixing!

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Hi and welcome to the forums, Blue! I'll try to answer some of your points:
Blue wrote:ReactOS Applications Manager
When looking over the Available for installation list, there is allot of old software that should be moved over to its own table. There should be a area just for older software to install, Maybe give the OS a point arrow in & on the manager that will expend and show the old software list. (Hopefully that is clear enough).
I think you mean that next to categories "Office", "Drivers" and "Development" there should be category called "Old versions". Is that correct? The "Available for installation" list shows all entries from all the categories that aren't already installed, so you can't really hide some app from it.
Blue wrote:ReactOS Applications Manager
The recommended links are not click-able in the manager. Please make the website to go to links click-able.
The links are clickable when the Applications Manager is started on Windows 7. That means there seems to be some bug in the ReactOS richedit control that prevents the link to show.
Blue wrote:Control Panel
Please add a Control Panel the same or like windows has in there OS. It makes things little easier.
There is a Control Panel (Start -> Settings ->Control Panel), did you see it? Or do you think that one isn't similar to control panel in Windows?

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Re: What i like to see ReactOS start fixing!

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Thank you Black fox for the welcome & Thank you for the comment. :)

ReactOS Applications Manager Edited by Blue.
I think you mean that next to categories "Office", "Drivers" and "Development" there should be category called "Old versions". Is that correct? well even in the app area itself could do this with old on the bottom and new on the top so (Yes) that way new updated software is not maxed in with the old outdated software. Because i don't see a reason to have it mixed all in one package deal (As it should expend later in the feature anyways & be setup for that expending feature). There might be better ways to do this also. Just because the app list is little atm. It could be changed to the way above temporally until better things happen as its just a pure quick fix atm. The "Available for installation" list shows all entries from all the categories that aren't already installed, so you can't really hide some app from it. (do you mean like, its a all in one build & can not be modified to work in the new and old area?) if not this comment: (its not really about hiding the apps but keeping with the updated app's without mixing, as I said above.

ReactOS Applications Manager
The recommended links are not click-able in the manager box screen. Please make the website to go to links click-able. The links are clickable when the Applications Manager is started on Windows 7. That means there seems to be some bug in the ReactOS richedit control that prevents the link to show. (Yeah that's what i thought). I wonder if the bug is to do with my VM VirtualBox not allowing this to happen than.... V4.3.10 as it might of changed the ReactOS richedit from being right on setup/install or could be a compiler issue.

Control Panel
The control panel. I did not notice it in | My Computer>Control Panel. | This above (Comment was deleted). I was thinking the OS did not come with a stranded control panel. Not really used to the Win3.1 style.

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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About the richedit bug: Look at JIRA and search for 'richedit'. There's a bunch of bugs just dealing with the ReactOS richedit control. I'm positive it's not a VirtualBox problem since I run WinXP in VirtualBox at my work, and I've had no trouble with richedit controls there. That means it's a ROS bug.

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Or Wine since we get it from Wine.

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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It's WINE bug, text isn't turned into URL even when running rapps.exe in Ubuntu.

EDIT:
Blue wrote:Virtual Memory
14. (A) There is [NO] active information in Virtual Memory.
(B) There is [NO] Active Automatically manage paging file size for all drives.
This information has recently been added into daily builds (http://prntscr.com/3cdra5 - it's in my language, but you can see some data is displayed here now).

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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Z98 wrote:Or Wine since we get it from Wine.
Right. My mistake. It's not our fault! :)

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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Since I think it relates to this and I don't want to make a new thread for it, will explorer-new support more than just BMPs for wallpapers? BMPs are kinda hard to find these days!

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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Milon
About the richedit bug: Look at JIRA and search for 'richedit'. There's a bunch of bugs just dealing with the ReactOS richedit control. I'm positive it's not a VirtualBox problem since I run WinXP in VirtualBox at my work, and I've had no trouble with richedit controls there. That means it's a ROS bug.
I see.

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Z98
Or Wine since we get it from Wine.
Question: Z98 is there anyway around doing this for (Example:) the Microsoft Skype product gives a installer icon on the desktop on a new pre-installed computer is there anyway of adding a Wine system like that to the ReactOS? Other than having it auto detect on install for you. This way the product is not installed until you wish it to be or you can remove the icon & never install just like the pre-installed OEM computer SYSTEMs. I think that might be a better way of doing this, since Wine is set to your default to download once the ReachOS has been detected & installed & auto actives offers the user a software notice. when the system has network hooked-up... This way even hitting next click box, the pop-up will notice and active the icon download linking to be auto removed & replace with a active one that opens the app... I might be thinking over my head! Since Wine updates their platform so often...

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Konata
Since I think it relates to this and I don't want to make a new thread for it, will explorer-new support more than just BMPs for wallpapers? BMPs are kinda hard to find these days!
Its allows good to see what, you can do & hey you never know if you might learn something in a better way or another way that you like. :)

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This information has recently been added into daily builds (http://prntscr.com/3cdra5 - it's in my language, but you can see some data is displayed here now).
I can see in the photo image link that it's working better than mine. Now that's much better than mine what I offered, with the display offering zero information. :D

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Blue wrote:is there anyway of adding a Wine system like that to the ReactOS? Other than having it auto detect on install for you.
WINE libraries cannot be "installed" on ReactOS, they are a part of ReactOS source code, added by developers. The thing that can be installed in the end of the GUI wizard is only WINE browser support.
Blue wrote:
I can see in the photo image link that it's working better than mine. Now that's much better than mine what I offered, with the display offering zero information. :D
It's from the daily trunk builds, those are bleeding edge with the newest features added (sometimes also with new bugs).

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Re: ► 1 ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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Black_Fox
Alright I've completed the topic over that & marked it as it can not be done over the Wine Explore.

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Re: ► (1/3) ReactOS Design Talk ♪♪♪

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I've edited the main thread body & added a new intro!
AND LIKE ALWAYS. THANKS FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM ABOVE. ;)

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