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yeah there should be one in download! but for the PCs i build... if there was a tiny player in there on ReactOS, whats the problem?

GoBusto wrote:It's worth mentioning that I installed Windows Server 2008 recently and it didn't have any sort of media player bundled with it. Users who will be running ReactOS on a desktop machine might like the idea of having a media player/torrent app/etc. included but please remember that ReactOS is not always going to be used on desktop machines. I myself plan on using it to run a file server.

ReactOS main market is desktop, which is what Vista/XP aim at. These all have the media players. 2008 has the components, but I think you will find it's the EU rulings that made it easier to leave out the front end.

I do find it funny that you would want to use ReactOS when Linux does aim at servers so strongly. I don't think that it's the best design for standard user/home desktops, but for servers I think Unix/Linux/BSD is good.

Phalanx wrote:

GoBusto wrote:It's worth mentioning that I installed Windows Server 2008 recently and it didn't have any sort of media player bundled with it. Users who will be running ReactOS on a desktop machine might like the idea of having a media player/torrent app/etc. included but please remember that ReactOS is not always going to be used on desktop machines. I myself plan on using it to run a file server.

ReactOS main market is desktop, which is what Vista/XP aim at. These all have the media players. 2008 has the components, but I think you will find it's the EU rulings that made it easier to leave out the front end.

I do find it funny that you would want to use ReactOS when Linux does aim at servers so strongly. I don't think that it's the best design for standard user/home desktops, but for servers I think Unix/Linux/BSD is good.

Hello, Phalanx.

It might be true that the main market for ReactOS is as a desktop OS, but that's not the same thing as the only market, now, is it?

Also, my point here was a general one, using a media player/server scenario as an example - not every user needs a system with all sorts of fancy extras, and having to remove a load of installed-by-default software every time you set up a new machine or reinstall is a pain in the rear end.

As for the reason why I'd like to have my file server use ROS rather than BSD or Linux, the simple answer is that I'd like to do it on the "Because I Can" principle.

not every user needs a system with all sorts of fancy extras

Exactly, and thats why Download! is the perfect solution. It is easy to use for a beginner and the advanced users don`t need to uninstall anything at the first boot.

GoBusto wrote: It might be true that the main market for ReactOS is as a desktop OS, but that's not the same thing as the only market, now, is it?

Note that it can be pointed out that this is the case for almost ANY OS that has a working TCP/IP stack, so it's not that valid of a point.

Also in this fight, we have to think about how not only are some people not getting all of the extra junk that they don't want, but there are people who might be setting this up on a computer without an internet connection (or a very slow one) that don't want to download everything that would normally be present in a default Windows install.

FlyingIsFun1217

Also in this fight, we have to think about how not only are some people not getting all of the extra junk that they don't want, but there are people who might be setting this up on a computer without an internet connection (or a very slow one) that don't want to download everything that would normally be present in a default Windows install.

In present days how many people have slow connection or don`t have connection at all ? And who use only default Windows installation ? With the new flash drives for less than 20$ for 2GB things are going even better. Yeah I know there isn`t working USB driver yet but we are talking about near future ... right ?

BOT_ev wrote:

Also in this fight, we have to think about how not only are some people not getting all of the extra junk that they don't want, but there are people who might be setting this up on a computer without an internet connection (or a very slow one) that don't want to download everything that would normally be present in a default Windows install.

In present days how many people have slow connection or don`t have connection at all ? And who use only default Windows installation ? With the new flash drives for less than 20$ for 2GB things are going even better. Yeah I know there isn`t working USB driver yet but we are talking about near future ... right ?

Possibly, maybe not though.

Point I'm trying to make is that not everybody can just download all crazy, and some people will need certain things installed by default. Does that mean that I think ROS needs a media player by default? No. I'm just trying to expose a point here.

FlyingIsFun1217

FlyingIsFun1217 wrote:Also in this fight

It's not a "fight", good sir, it is simply a discussion. The Internet is not serious business.

As for the point about not everyone having access to the Internet or a slow connection, this is indeed a valid point, but I'd argue that if you had a machine with no Internet connection then you would probably be installing ReactOS from a distro CD, in which case useful applications such as a media player would most likely be included.

Yup we are just talking about possible ways. I think there will be a media player in ReactOS but only in some kind of distribution. My point here from the very beginning was that ReactOS default installation should be lightweight.

BOT_ev wrote:.... I think there will be a media player in ReactOS but only in some kind of distribution. ....

Indeed: we'll get the best of both worlds: compatibility of Windows with the "distro" freedom of Linux.
Have any of you ever looked at the http://www.linux.org website (particularly http://www.linux.org/apps/)? That's how I envision ReactOS to position itself. A true OS, instead of a "one size fits all" monstrosity.
One problem though.... a possible dependency nightmare. But that should be the burden of the distro issuer.

Maybe fight was too strong of a word, considering how you took it. I meant the fight as to whether or not applications like this should be included. I didn't mean us 'fighting'

FlyingIsFun1217

fred02 wrote: [...] MPC [Media Player Classic] is pretty good, but it has not been updated fot 2 years and is written in C++ and is not part of "core libraries" so it does not qualify for inclusion.

Yes and no. MPC (last official version 6.4.9.0) has not been updated since spring 2006 by Gabest and schultz_ who have been the project admins. But alexwild and casimir666 are now developing Media Player Classic - Homecinema which is based on the original MPC project, and which contains additionnal features.

There is an additional, semi-requirement that few people seem to be aware of, if only because it doesn't come up much. The developers (at least several of them) like pure unicode apps, not ones with backward compatibility using the T* stuff.

Z98 wrote:The developers (at least several of them) like pure unicode apps

Makes sense... just makes the search for inclusion software a little more difficult. What are the devs' stances on something like a Media Player, by the way?

FlyingIsFun1217

Can't say they particularly care for the idea.