0.4.13 Testing

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shevegen
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

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Hmm. While I think timekeeper distracts a bit from the core topic, it should be pointed
out that he is not entirely incorrect in the sense that mouse support is very important.

I think the larger issue to consider is one that I could see e. g. in HaikuOS too. Linux
moved forward (if we ignore the systemd infiltration, which clearly is a regression); things
tend to work out of the box, for the most part (to some extent). Recently I got a scanner
to work out of the box; yep it depends on the company and support of the SANE* parts,
I get it. I also got a netgear wlan USB stick to work, although I struggle with another one.

With ReactOS, we kind of struggle more in general though. This is something I have
noticed in wineHQ too by the way - in the old 32 bit days it was much simpler to
get it to work. Now with 64 bit, I gave up with wine. It's too complicated - and that
is coming from someone who literally wrote a "package" manager and compiles
almost everything from source. I think the more general thing is that people don't
want to tinker as much as they once may have used to do. In 2005 I was tinkering
a LOT. I still tinker, but I focus on getting work done first. And I think this is a state
that ReactOS, HaikuOS etc... all should try to attain first and foremost.

I don't have the same opinion as timekeeper has, but he has a point - either you want
feedback, or you don't. And locking notes because you get angry rather than looking
and evaluating the content, is not a good idea.

Last year I did a hd-install of ReactOS on an old laptop and it worked fine. But then
it asked me for inserting CDs for installing drivers ... and I gave up on that point,
also because I could not access the www and google to resolve problems. With
Linux, the same hardware works out of the box. I don't have to do anything.

I understand that lack of time, manpower and resources is a problem, but I think
you also need to look at whether other operating systems are better in some areas.
And hardware support in Linux at this point is really quite good. On that note, it
may be useful to try to find some way to install drivers more easily, perhaps with
a wiki-curated www where more users could help maintain it. (For this to work,
evidently, accessing the www should also be a primary goal, but this is a separate
issue.)

By the way, I would also highly recommend to enable github issue trackers. I have
become very lazy; I don't even bother with bugzilla, sourceforge, trac etc... anymore,
it is just way too much a hassle. I contribute on github issue trackers and perhaps
also gitlab issue trackers, but other than that, I don't even provide any feedback to
"oldschool" anymore simply because it is too much of a hassle these days. I can
not say how many others are like that, but if you want to get more feedback then
it may be better to expand on how people could contribute. I don't mind to give
more feedback, but the higher the barrier for doing so, the less likely I can warrant
the time investment for this compared to other things to do - that has nothing to
do with my personal like or dislike of ReactOS. I think the project is great. But
time is a limited resource for everyone, including contributors and casual users
too.

So TL;DR: hardware support should ideally work out of the box, or have simple
means to install it via the www, with more users being able to contribute e. g.
downloadable URLs (evidently still has to be checked that these are from
official sites; and perhaps some GUI widget where people can correct this
"live").

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dizt3mp3r
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

Post by dizt3mp3r »

Yes, OF COURSE!

but ReactOS is NOT FINISHED YET!!!!!

So, there is no comparison. You don't seem to understand, you should NOT be using it or complaining that you can't use a mouse as it is UNUSABLE
as it is UNFINISHED. Why is that so COMPLICATED?

The CAPSLOCK business is the shouting just so you understand.
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

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Firstly, to anyone who can’t seem to get a USB mouse (in real steel):
1. Complete the install. You don’t need a mouse yet. Use Tab and spacebar to fill in the fields.
2. If you have no mouse after the install, restart and curse down to “debug” boot (every time).

It worked for me in twelve (0.4.12); and nobody had to tell me about it—I simply tried it because it was there. Obviously, there is no guarantee it will work on every machine, but I was never going to give up until I had explored everything my simple mind could think of.

In thirteen, I no longer need to do it—the USB mouse works perfectly in a ‘hands-free’ boot. This is a clear indication that the ReactOS team is fixing more issues with each version and that ReactOS is becoming a friendlier animal with each release.

Secondly, it is disappointing that some people seem unable to exercise any serious level of self-constraint in the forums. Yes, frustration with an alpha-stage Operating System is perfectly understandable—does anyone imagine that I haven’t yelled myself hoarse cursing ReactOS? On two consecutive nights (with 0.4.9) I woke the babies on Mars. But my temper erupts only at my ReactOS pc—never at the ReactOS team.

Thirdly, there is no prize for attempting to ridicule the effort.

And finally; yes, I posted this from KATRELL (my ReactOS pc). I copied and pasted the text from a Word doc.
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

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I would just like to clarify (before I am misunderstood); dizt3mp3r, you were not the target of anything I wrote in my previous post. I was worried about having followed behind your post in which you seemed quite annoyed at some of the negativity. By the way, when are you going to give your hardware another go? I suppose I should think about gambling with a sound card.
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

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OK, and now we all cool down a lil bit...
ReactOS is still in alpha stage, meaning it is not feature-complete and is recommended only for evaluation and testing purposes.

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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

Post by dizt3mp3r »

Kevin Castro wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:31 am
frustration with an alpha-stage Operating System is perfectly understandable—does anyone imagine that I haven’t yelled myself hoarse cursing ReactOS? On two consecutive nights (with 0.4.9) I woke the babies on Mars. But my temper erupts only at my ReactOS pc—never at the ReactOS team.
Oh, gosh yes. ReactOS frustrates me too. I only ever test it in a VM as I can be sure there at least I'll have something like an o/s to look at during the test. With hardware you can be fairly sure that a lot of work will be undertaken only to prove that ReactOS still doesn't work - and you knew that anyway.

I'm still unconvinced by the idea of running ReactOS on real h/w. The slow speed of ReactOS development and the ever quicker emergence of multicore systems that can run more than one o/s well in a VM, makes me feel that ReactOS has a home as a guest o/s. Catching up with newer and potentially more divergent hardware when the o/s has yet to even approach beta gives me an indication that besides older laptops, ReactOS' niche will be in a VM.

In a VM I do get quite excited at how much of ReactOS does actually work. Some more testing coming soon.
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Re: 0.4.13 Testing

Post by menuhin »

timekeeper wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:42 pm
I tested ReactOS more than 5 years ago, and discovered it was quite useless for me, it didn't support my usb-mouse.
I am testing 0.4.14 and there usb mouse working properly.

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