Jessey wrote:why is reactos 2nd and behind haiku. Haiku is the best on that list, no offense but haiku runs on real hardware, hell most of them run on real hardware, but not react os so it should be dead last.
That's not entirely true. I've been running ROS on real hardware for quite some time now.
Granted, development has been a bit slow, compared to some other OSes (then again, you have some who didn't even get as far neither).
PurpleGurl wrote:On funding, it seems we could have our own summer of code (though preferably under another name).
I'm not following you there. With a summer of code, it's the one organising it that lends time/money out to *other* organisations and projects. If we held a SOC, thus, we would be wasting our very limited resources (we're not google, after all) to other projects. If you're talking about spending our own money on ourselves, well, that's just normal practise and is as we're doing already now. As a project, it's WE that would benefit from the SOC of SOMEONE ELSE.
Keep in mind, GSOC is not the only internship promotion program out there. There is also one that is specifically for girls/women. I think some lady coders could help the community culture around here. It has gotten much better over the years, and the interactions in the boards are less critical and snippy. I guess the credit goes to the leadership as well as those who decided to be a part of the solution. I applaud that. Moving on, agreeing to host a female coding event could generate code and revenue. The key is finding what sponsors exist, and if we can comfortably fit within their agendas. If, for instance, some group wanted to pay companies and non-profits to get LGBT people more coding experience, I wouldn't care (despite my personal views) since people would be coding and helping us.
Again, organising a SOC, in the spirit of GSOC, means we'll sponsor *other* projects. And I don't know of any outside SOC specially for women. And besides... I'm not really for that kind of 'specific target audience' thing. It reminds me of the law that was passed a few years ago in my country, obliging political parties, businesses and what not to be forced to have a certain percentage of women. I mean, I'm all for equality, but, as some feminists have rightfully pointed out, mandatory quota's of women is actually *against* the principle of being regarded equal. It's positive discrimination, except that is a contradictio in terminis.
What *does* need to happen, is that the state has to make sure the starting conditions and opportunities are alike. Granted, this is not always the case and should be worked on. Compulsory quota's are the easy way out and remain discriminatory to a person who maybe was better suited or got more votes, but wasn't of the right gender. What's next? A mandatory quota of persons with a disability? Of black people? People from Maghreb origins? Asians? Homosexuals? Lesbians? People with red hair?
EVERY minority could ask with as much right to have the law changed so that they *have* to be chosen, even if someone else is better suited.
Needless to say that in such a way, one is destroying ones' own society since you do not make the distinction anymore between competent and incompetent people, but instead are focused on elements that have nothing to so with aptitude and ability, but are instead contrived notions that anything and everything must reflect the relative proportions in composition as society as a whole.
I refute that notion.
Here too, the only criteria should be how well people can and do code on ROS. Whether they are female or male is completely irrelevant to it.
Speaking of our goals. Considering how GSOC works the last time I read on their site, where half of their spending goes to the organization, and half to the intern coders, lets look in terms of the last fundraiser. That would be enough to fund 24 people for the same length of time and terms as GSOC. I am not suggesting anything, just throwing that up for comparison sake (unless my math or understanding is off, and I was rounding).
It's fundamentally different. The money of the fundraiser IS our money. We would have that with or without a GSOC. The GSOC would have given additional 'sponsorship' (in coding ability), however. The major part of our own money goes to our servers and such. I think. Can't be sure, because, as said, there is a huge deficit in transparency in this regard. But anyway, GSOCs help not only in immediate return, but also in getting some new blood interested. And for almost nothing (viewed from our perspective). The target audience too, is fundamentally different. They are students, who put their summer time in it. They get 'student wages' but it counts for their curriculum and have nothing better to do at that time. Whereas, when we want to hire someone, the pay is got to be reasonable, certainly if it's meant as a full time job, and not for only a few months or during the weekends. So you can't get as many people compared to GSOC personnel. With a yearly fundraising of 25000 euro, you have just enough to pay for one IT'er for one year, in my country. And even then he'll be underpaid. Using that money for 24 students for 2 months, would basically be a waste of the money. But if you get 4 from GSOC, it's still a welcome addition.
And I like the idea behind Kolibrios. It doesn't do much and doesn't have library dependencies and all of that. I know I've been shot down repeatedly, but once the project reaches a somewhat finalized state, I'd like to see a fine-tuned, optimized version with the most critical and bottleneck sections written in tight hand-coded assembly (where feasible -if a C/C++ compiler does better, then go with it). I'd like to see multiple code paths where machines that are not compatible can run the standard stuff. Or another idea is to have an unofficial service pack to replace what files that would be compatible, and the ability to roll it back at any time. But these are pipe dreams.
Of all the other OSes I think Haiku, Kolibri and AROS are the most interesting, viewed from an IT-tinkering stance and an 'unknown/rare'-feeling.
Back to the topic, I am glad to see we are getting positive press. Now if we could only get more funds and more coders with the relevant skill-sets.
With the 'alternative' OSes, we're usually always mentioned in the top 5.
EmuandCo wrote:If you have such a big problem with reactos... why don't you just leave? Ever tried to clone something with almost no use able information? Don't think so
He's only expressing his opinion. While what is 'the best' is debatable, and his remark that ROS 'doesn't work' on real hardware is incorrect, one can not deny that it (very) often has trouble running on real hardware, especially modern PC's. Viewed from the aspect of r/l usability, thus, he has a point that it should not be at the forefront of the list. For instance, OpenBSD is a lot more stable and useful than ROS at this moment. Of course, that's only true if one starts with that premise (or assumes that was the premise of the author of that article). However, it's fully possible that other - maybe more subjective - criteria were involved. Such as the ones I wrote to purplegirl.
Windows, OS X, Android...are all pretty known 'mainstream' OSes.
And, within the context of 'alternative OSes', Linux and BSD are 'mainstream' in their own right.
True 'niche' OSes which are really 'special' in some way, are exceedingly rare. This also makes them interesting, from a technical, conceptual and/or ideological standpoint. You only have a handful, under which ROS.