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News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Blackcrack » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:28 am

Hy,

it is clear, Reactos it is a Poject of an russian Human, but why not give Obama the
Change to supporting Reactos too, why not try to connect Obama over Facebook,
or over his Blackbary *s* or something to call him, here, it is a International Project,
look Putin may by help us, and we give you XXXXXXXX the change to help us too.
For holding this project international.. and why not call directly other Presidents,
from other Lands, to write his on, to try to be on Projects who be opened and make
the change it s up to 90% to come the Presidents in they lands, schools or something else,
to look the Projects...
check the School's try to become a visit list of the year who want visit the
President of you Lands which Schools, University's and other facilities.
Why not, if bring they a success ...
This with Putin was a big luck, but it was hold open the eyes if they comes.. okey,
why should not try to generate some luck's directly to look were it is planed to
check out different Schools and University's or something who want be
visit in an half Year from Obama... how many Americans be here in the Forum..
Now i whant say "WE NEED YOU" ;) Letz try to contact Barak Obama for
supporting an GPL'ed Project .. and only if there is a chance of 10% -20%
why one should not try it then ... it has been attempted in any case!
the same like Frace, this Presidens seems me more better as te laqst..
try it on Frace too for become Support and in other lands too.
A Try can bring an successful no try bring nothing ...
There for, Try a Try for may by have a successful !

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Aeneas » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:09 am

No. way. EVER.

The US profit directly from MS. It is, after all, an American company. What motivation would the US have to damage its own company? Its own company that is attracting money and minds from all over the world?

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by andreas84 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:48 am

I think accepting direct support from russia and later challenging microsoft might make the usa pretty annoyed...
And i dont remember that the usa is very genourous and i also agree with aeneas they have no motivation. However you could research countrys who are known to give money to projects.

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by gonzoMD » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:07 pm

First: We don't know if we get some Support, at the moment
Second: we should be happy that at least one country is eventually ready for ReactOS to support.

That Russia is interested doesn't mean automatically that USA is too.
It's no self-evidence that we get supported by any presidents so let's look forward to that what maybe will come.

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Blackcrack » Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:17 pm

Hy Peep's :D

this with automatic, i've never say :) but an attempt is worth it. if---- Russian realy support, may if tell Russian support, then say the States " what they can, can we have long" ;) and it is totaly other like you are think..
just wanted to fire up the discussion about, why, or why not or do you /we think about.
bad or not bad.. ma do you /we think about more negative as it is in real..
Okey we are think about, MS work with the Government in the States,
may by is it so but maby have Obama a open ear for Open Source and support it.. may or may not ...
did you not try, can you not say you have try it..

before we have not try, we are cant say, we dont have try it to get
support international include in the US-States too.. let it easy try it..
why not.. only why you do think it is impossible ?!?!? nothing it is impossible
with a little luck maby too how ever..

and the next.. i mean with international Support, Frace, Spain,or other States too
we have international Programmer on Board and now have Frace an fresh liberal
President become at last time.. why should not you try to ask him to..
Or other lands.. why not.., Dont forget, Finnland, Danmark, Sweden and Norway
they are Open Source Lands ! A ask one or two while in any case worth ! :mrgreen:

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by gonzoMD » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:23 pm

No, I think reasonless asking Federal institutes is contra-productive.

With Russia it was good because they were looking for some open alternatives, and we offered a solution that could be used if it would completed.

It would be if somebody wants to sell you a cheesecake, that you don't want.
You would say no, because you don't like cheesecake or you already ate something else.
And this guy would nevertheless ask you to buy the cake, you would think he is way too aggressive.
If you would see this guy another time you would change the side of the street that he don't disturbs you with his cake.
BUT: If you're hungry and like cheesecake and you would see a cheesecake-trader, you would go to him by yourself and would give him some cents more for the cake, because this is exactly what you wanted.

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Post by milon » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:43 pm

gonzoMD wrote:No, I think reasonless asking Federal institutes is contra-productive.

With Russia it was good because they were looking for some open alternatives, and we offered a solution that could be used if it would completed.
Exactly, gonzoMD. Russia wants something, and we have a solution that they may be interested in. There is no reason to suspect that the government of the USA is interested in an open source operating system. Asking someone for money for something that they don't care about is tacky at best.

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Blackcrack » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:51 pm

Hy,


gonzoMD, wth did you know to buy today an Cheesecake ?!?! i did eat at moment.. helldammed *bg* :mrgreen:
(no joke, i eat him at moment !! *lol*)

okey, we spoken not alone over the states, take a look on Finnland or Danmark, Sweden and Norway
no one have ask they are if they can get a lil support or something..
it is not a must to be to cry around who we become a help/support get it,
sometimes it is better in several cases to be silent or to work in the silent.
In different Cases they did not know about different Projects and be grateful
for a ask about and the it to be exist like so an Project.. in one case to have
a 2nd System to have as open Source and in this case an NT Windows System
as Open Source for free, not all like Linux over all, different persons need a
easier System for pushing around a mouse and not hacking on/in the Prompt ..
i like by sides and if Mandriva as community comming back and Reactos want be more finish
for using want it be a realy badpack *bg*

There for it is sometimes advisable that you ask or encouragement to help and support ..
And not in a Black or white Land but in different countries to work faster or full times on Reactos.
It cant be bad to tell and ask for Reactos, to tell it give an GPL-NT System for Free and not only
Support by "Russian" if you are see what i mean, no, it can be positive if some Countrys/States helping too.
So can really Say it is an International Project and it is Supporting from Danmark, Finnland, Russian and Otherland.

There for should Reactos not only support from Russian Federation, we are should not only sleep on this support, no, we are should get up and ask further for supporting in different States...

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by DOSGuy » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:55 pm

Let's have a reality check. Vladimir Putin is a politician. If you approach a politician with a project that's not offensive, he's going to act supportive because he wants your vote. Ask a politician for financial support and he'll say that he'll think about it, because that gives you hope without actually making a commitment. Medvedev did it, and now Putin did it.

It's a very good thing that the president of a wealthy country knows about ReactOS. It's especially good at a time when governments around the world, including state and municipal governments in the United States, are starting to force their public servants to use free software. Yes, this is exciting, and yes, I hope that Russia sees the value of a free Windows-like OS. Just remember that Putin hasn't said that he's going to do anything to help ReactOS. All he's done so far is what every politician does. If you show him an ugly baby, he'll say it's beautiful. If you say that you're planning to build a rocket out of banana peels, he'll wish you luck. It was totally worth the effort to show ReactOS to Putin, but verbal support rarely leads to financial support. We can get excited when he pulls out his chequebook.
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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Blackcrack » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:04 pm

that's right, there for shold we are ask if Reactos known or call for support other states too and not only Putin..

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by PurpleGurl » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:30 pm

Aeneas wrote:No. way. EVER.

The US profit directly from MS. It is, after all, an American company. What motivation would the US have to damage its own company? Its own company that is attracting money and minds from all over the world?
From what I know about Obama, that is exactly the type of move he would pull. IMHO, the whole stimulus thing was not to help the American people, but as a form of political posturing, a way to promote government dependence, and a way to take over specific industries. So I imagine President Obama may get involved if approached, but I am not sure if you really want the help as there would be so many strings. Now, if this were Reagan-era, we'd probably get good response because of the cold war attitudes. The attitude of the day was sort of one of "anything Russia can do, we can do better..." That sort of thing would be beneficial if 2 countries were trying to outdo one another in funding and support.

Now I have some ideas. Why not get more American programmers to join the project? Why not make them feel welcome? I don't know how much of a cultural divide there is between us Americans and the project, but there are things that have turned me off and for all we know, may turn off others too. Then again, maybe they have more in common and I am the oddball. <g> In a way, I hope that is the case for the sake of the project. If the cultural divide is bad, why not a US Reactos branch of the project? They could have a certain amount of autonomy if that is the issue.

Also, why not get US colleges and companies involved? The colleges would be willing to supply man-power. It would be ideal if professors could require work on Reactos as part of class assignments. Then everyone benefits. The educators would have an assignment to give that requires learning about Windows architecture, the students would learn about the internal workings of Windows, and we would have progress. While GSOC was a success, and the current campaign of paying proven developers to help them to put more into the project should help similarly, why not get professors to reframe class work in a way that will support Reactos? Rather than do silly make-work projects, they could put the same time to something productive that will benefit all. US colleges already require community service, so that is another possible angle. If US colleges would consider helping Reactos as community service, then there would be another incentive. Interested students could put their volunteer time here.

As for companies, they already have a budget for software licenses and the like, and getting rid of Microsoft products might be something they would be willing to do. So they might want to invest in a day where they won't have to answer to Microsoft or be audited to make sure all their software is completely legal. If they have to hire new employees, it would be nice to get them set up with workstations without worrying about if they have enough licenses to do so.

I admit some of what I said may be difficult for some to take, and I am not 100% if I am even on topic. I didn't mean to get into politics, though that is what fund-raising and soliciting volunteers is about to a degree. I can say that what I am trying to do is get everyone think outside the box.

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by Blackcrack » Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:56 pm

PurpleGurl wrote: I can say that what I am trying to do is get everyone think outside the box.
exactly that !!! you speak out from my soul !
And you can speak better english like me,
can you look what you can make and can may
by speak wit the right peoples to try more open
the Doors for some one like you spoken about ?
:D
And this with other/diffrents lands too,
advertising campaign, more or less may by ?

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by PurpleGurl » Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:25 am

Blackcrack wrote:
exactly that !!! you speak out from my soul !
And you can speak better english like me,
can you look what you can make and can may
by speak wit the right peoples to try more open
the Doors for some one like you spoken about ?
:D
And this with other/diffrents lands too,
advertising campaign, more or less may by ?

kindly regards
Blacky
I would gladly try word of mouth advertising, but I am not that good working with people to be honest. I try to get along with others in general, and sometimes I luck out. Other times it is a disaster.

I just got kicked out of Wiki Answers. It seems I was not "politically correct" enough for them, I raised too many questions, and they didn't care for my style of humor. Their "zero-tolerance cyberbullying policy" is actually being used as a weapon by overzealous supervisors of the site to silence those they disagree with, even those who never target others. Thanks to my online detective skills, I could pay the 18-year-old supervisor who banned me a visit and "settle" things, but that is the wrong approach. The sad part is that he lists C programming among his interests on his page, and we could use folks like that if they could channel the energy and tenacity into the project. Youth are like that, easily influenced and passionate about their causes (including Liberal/Socialist causes like this particular teen). That is both a blessing and a curse. Assuming someone like that became interested and could help us, we wouldn't want them spreading division among us.

I am not sure if you were saying this, but I agree that we need to tailor our approach to the people we contact. The key is helping others find solutions, and it seems those who will gain the most from our project would be the ones to approach.

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Re: News - Supporting from russ Fed., why not From Un. St. ?

Post by DOSGuy » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:49 am

Once again, let's get real here. It's very unlikely that any government is going to spend taxpayer dollars to help us. Some governments have mandated the use of free software in their public service in order to cut costs, which would be good for ReactOS adoption once it's ready, but that does nothing to help ReactOS development. Until ReactOS is ready to be deployed, free software mandates simply push Linux and OpenOffice.org into the public service. The only support that we will ever get from any Western government is permission for their IT managers to install ReactOS on government computers.
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Post by Blackcrack » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:09 am

how ever, an attempt is worth it !
My english it is rater bad if you are have noticed, i am an german,
there for i cant create an good call & support advicetext.
There for can anyone ma by create a correckt wrote text ?

PurpleGurl , you have detective veins and can seach Adresses
from Highshool's, IT-University's, big Private Facilitys, Goverments or something...
(Zuckerberg had wrote his facebook who, in which facility ?)
Check Feedback if it's near Redmond, be aware if is a University
who work with Microsoft, like a Spider in the Net...this is bad,
but we can call MIT - Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
may by this address or something ...

Anyone can help find email addresses, but they should check whether they appeal to the right.
The more we have verified addresses have the greater the change increases to the grants and Supports
It can be more as 15 up to 30 Adresses , if you have check out the Adresses per person..
can be more but it mus be checked out !
Check out the Prof. of IT in different University's ..or something like i have say above,
the mails should be ...

The Mail should have inside.

0. If possible, direct form of Address (Dear Sir of ...... or Madam/Mrs.)

1. know Reactos ?

2. Reactos it is + Links + of why we do it (no MS-Hate, more as GPL-System for any body and free,
developing from the Users, Programmers, , University of ? we work together?.. this too... for all in the Work
(-no words over microsoft- stay neutral !!)

3. which step we are be at moment and why we call for support in programming,
manpower and at to have a fundraiser at moment + link and why , for what ....

4. Call for Project in the University/Facility and Manpower in the university, ma by
Projects who Programming NT-System and sending in for Reactos or something..

5.Only one Mail to One Adress (the Adresses must be real and comeing to a Real Person who
may by open for New things.. PurpleGurl, you mus check out befor if it is okey,
maby take a Telephone and call for a Mail or if knwon Reactos.org and if
it is all right to send a Mail.
This should not degenerate into spam !!

6. Purple Gurl, No hidden Jokes, no open Jokes and no jockes generally *bg*
no, realy i'm serious, the Mails schold be wrote as it is comes from an Univerity !
realy clean whit out typing errors or something..

Maby can anyone write an Mail, here in the Tread.. take "quote" or "code" for it.
Mr. /Prof. of. Reactos ask-call Letter wrote: Dear Sir ....,

i whant call you if you know Reactos...
...............~~~~~~..............

kindly Regards
<a href="http://www.reactos.org/wiki/People_of_ReactOS" target="_blank">User/Poples/Developer of Reactos</a>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Reactos ask-call Letter Mrs wrote: Dear Mrs. Prof. of ....,

i whant call you if you know Reactos...
...............~~~~~~..............

kindly Regards
<a href="http://www.reactos.org/wiki/People_of_ReactOS" target="_blank">User/Poples/Developer of Reactos</a>
We mus call Z98 if this okey and let show him the Mail before we get it out to the Addresses..
pm he and he should tell his mean here on this tread..


maby can make this in the other lands too ? Like Frace, Finnland,Norway, Danmark or something.. (but this mus do in the right Forums for it)

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