ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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cruonit wrote:Just an information in my country you can employ 4-5 fulltime developers(with the degree: master of compuer science) for 30.000€ (without taxes so maybe 4) a year.

For 5.000€ or less you can employ an fulltime Master student in CS over the student service (you don't have to pay for taxes and health assurence - they are granted because he is a student) but only with flexible working hours

In india/china reactos could get even more developers for the same money.
Nice(?), in my country (Germany) you won't get one for this "little" money.

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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Dominik2 wrote:
cruonit wrote:Just an information in my country you can employ 4-5 fulltime developers(with the degree: master of compuer science) for 30.000€ (without taxes so maybe 4) a year.

For 5.000€ or less you can employ an fulltime Master student in CS over the student service (you don't have to pay for taxes and health assurence - they are granted because he is a student) but only with flexible working hours

In india/china reactos could get even more developers for the same money.
Nice(?), in my country (Germany) you won't get one for this "little" money.
I know, but that does't mean that the developers are better in some countries, my university is in the TOP 30 for the last three years on the IEEExtreme programming competition (over 1200 teams form different universities around the world).

I think the best quality-price-culture ratio is in Serbia/Albania their salaries are even lower than in my country and many world-wide firms have their offices for outsourcing (like HP, nokia naviteq , etc.)
The starting salary for Serbia/Albania is about 400€ a month without taxes , to overcome the taxes final year students could be employed over the student service.

http://www.payscale.com
http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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cruonit wrote:I know, but that does't mean that the developers are better in some countries, ...
Yes, absolutely right.

I think "we" should not hire some complete unknown developers (or only pay if the work is well done).
IMHO one (or more) of the current active devs should get the money to work full time on ReactOS.
Alex or Timo maybe, would be really cool if Timo could finish the Win32-Subsystem for example.

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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The whole point of this is to get the current developers on the payroll, not to cheaply hire some random strangers.

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cruonit wrote:Just an information in my country you can employ 4-5 fulltime developers(with the degree: master of compuer science) for 30.000€ (without taxes so maybe 4) a year.
That's an interesting point! In my country the employers don't pay taxes for employee programmers. :!:
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fulea.stefan wrote:
cruonit wrote:Just an information in my country you can employ 4-5 fulltime developers(with the degree: master of compuer science) for 30.000€ (without taxes so maybe 4) a year.
That's an interesting point! In my country the employers don't pay taxes for employee programmers. :!:
<evangelism> That's because the country recognizes and apreciates their value. </evangelism>

What can I say... I'm a Senior IT Oracle Specialist, and here in Argentina I win like less than U$S 1000 per month. u.U
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jorge1987 wrote:
fulea.stefan wrote:
cruonit wrote:Just an information in my country you can employ 4-5 fulltime developers(with the degree: master of compuer science) for 30.000€ (without taxes so maybe 4) a year.
That's an interesting point! In my country the employers don't pay taxes for employee programmers. :!:
<evangelism> That's because the country recognizes and apreciates their value. </evangelism>

What can I say... I'm a Senior IT Oracle Specialist, and here in Argentina I win like less than U$S 1000 per month. u.U
Well, being in Argentinia, that's pretty well paid. People seem to forget that living expenses are way lower too, in some countries. For a pakistani 200 euro's is already a lot of money. Not because they're working for peanuts, but because there it IS a lot of money, almost equal to what we earn in the West, comparatively.

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Webunny wrote:Well, being in Argentinia, that's pretty well paid. People seem to forget that living expenses are way lower too, in some countries. For a pakistani 200 euro's is already a lot of money. Not because they're working for peanuts, but because there it IS a lot of money, almost equal to what we earn in the West, comparatively.
Off course, that is an excelent point, I was just joking about my job.

Here in Argentina, some things are really expensive, and other ones are in really lower prices...

Our problem is that we don't have an strong money (Argentinian Peso), so, every fluctuation in the Euro or the Dollar (We import millons and millons of materials in Dollars, and that makes the "Peso" less stronger) makes problems every day.

I really don't have that kind of problems because I don't buy anything in dollars (Only tiny things on DealExtremme), but is a big problem for a Car. I'm buying a car in installments (I hope thats the word... "Estoy comprando un auto en cuotas"), and the car is valuated in 13K Dollars, so, if the Peso gets less stronger, I have to pay more every moth, so I'm preying to all the religions in the world (And to the Reactos Kernel too, we can make the "ReactOS Religion") that the Peso gets a little more stronger, and the Dollar stabilizes...


I hope anyone can understand what I was trying to explain, because I dont work with this type of conversations, and I have to use a lot google Translate to write it...
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And to the Reactos Kernel too […]
Here are some Kernel prayers and chants. :)

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hto wrote:Here are some Kernel prayers and chants. :)
Maybe the Code Goddess will bless us. :-)

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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Anyway, the fundraising bar is set a bit too high, me thinks. It will break the previous record from 2008 no doubt, but still. Seen we're already end may and it's at 4410 euro, it might have been more realistic to go for 10000 euro. Also, most people knowledgeable about the project (aka fans) have already donated by now, so I think it will augment slower. Without corporate backing-up or something like with the Bank-thingy we had, or just a rich millionaire :) I don't think we'll get at 30.000 euro.

Ofcourse, one can always try... But anyway...with 10.000 euro, how many devs are willing to work full time on this for how long?

Anyone knows?

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The lower you set the goal, the less money you get. I say keep it where it is.

As for how much you can accomplish with an amount of money, it depends on what country they live in. Some countries (Canada/US/UK) are very expensive to live in, while others are much cheaper.

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Re: ReactOS Fundraising 2012

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Keep it where it is, who cares if the goal is not met? Haiku's goal is even higher and they don't change it. They've collected about 5,500EUR so far.

Also, you may say that it's "already the end of May", but the campaign was announced on April 28th. It has literally been only a month since it started.

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milon wrote:The lower you set the goal, the less money you get. I say keep it where it is.

As for how much you can accomplish with an amount of money, it depends on what country they live in. Some countries (Canada/US/UK) are very expensive to live in, while others are much cheaper.
:? Any evidence for your first sentence? When taken at face value, it seems a bit doubtful. so basically, then, the highr you set it, the more you get? If that were the case, why not set it at 100000 euro? Or better still, a billion? I mean, according to that reasoning, we should get far more than when just placing 30000 there.

No, I don't think it really works that way, or otherwise everyone would ask for amounts with 20 or more zero's in it. In fact, I think it's rather the reverse, at some given point: if people see that the goal is almost reached, they'll have the tendency to actually give a bit more, so that the goal is, indeed, reached. With an unrealistically high amount, this is less likely to happen.

One could debate what is realistic and what not, true, but that would become clear soon enough, I guess. Then again, what is proven to augment giving , is when one focusses on identity and the context of a 'peer group' (see 'Why do people give? The role of identity in giving.Jennifer L. Aaker, Satoshi Akutsu'). In fact, re-arranging the list of donors so that the highest donations are on top will already augment the donations. I think that would have more influence than setting extremely high donation-bars.


Keep it where it is, who cares if the goal is not met? Haiku's goal is even higher and they don't change it. They've collected about 5,500EUR so far.

Also, you may say that it's "already the end of May", but the campaign was announced on April 28th. It has literally been only a month since it started.
Good point. Theoretically, it would be possible, then, indeed. Though, as aid, I fear most that wanted to donate already have done so, so it will gradually become less and less, except maybe for some unfoseeable news-coverage, which might bring in some 'new blood'.

I don't think the 'haiku' (or whatever) does it, and thus should we' really is a good argument viewed on itself, though. Maybe if they had set their bar a wee bit lower, people would have had realistic hope of attaining it, and have donated more than the 5500 Euro. Just saying.

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I already answered that question, Webunny, but I'll do it again. If you set the bar too low and achieve your goal, people may stop donating. Also, if it looks like the goal is within reach, people may choose not to donate since they apparently won't need to. For both of those reasons, I believe that it's better to set the bar higher rather than lower. But finally, as I stated before, I see no reason to ask for an amount that's less than what you need. If it's going to cost 30 000 euros to pay for this plan, why would they ask for 10 000 euros? If you need a heart, would you ask for a kidney because you're more likely to get one? Ask for what you need, not what you think you can get.
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