Re: ReactOS 0.3.11 progress...
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:41 pm
Madwolf has a good point here...
The Official ReactOS Forum
I got a bit lost in all these repeated "questions", but I fully agree. A FAQ thread is needed to be pinned on top of the forum, in a (vain?) hope to reduce these reoccurring questions/threads by 3/4. (darn, I got contaminated by this "question" spread too )MadWolf wrote:hi
imho the best whay to stop threads like this is to create a stickied with the answers to the most commonly asked questions and if someone asks one of the questions that is in the most commonly asked questions stickie the threads get locked and a linkd is added to most commonly asked questions stickie and the form rules are updated to tell the users to read the commonly asked questions stickie before asking a question
You can't judge a project status by asking questions in the forums. The development work isn't done here and frankly most developers have no desire to visit the forums.I didn't say that this project is dead, I said that it seems to be dying which is very different.
Reasonable?The only reasonable action I've seen taken is
removing predictions from the ReactOS front page as to when 0.3.11 might come out.
Because this is open source. You can't force people to do something.I'm deeply concerned. The goal is to release every 2 months and yet that isn't happening.
Now why isn't it happening?
We've decided exactly what needs to happen.Unfortunately, it seems just as likely that the developers of ReactOS aren't getting around
to deciding what needs to happen for a 0.3.11 release.
None. People who work on linux have no interest in developing for reactos. They are linux fans.How many programmers capable of writing an OS are there that have worked on Linux?
Now then, how many of those people have worked on ReactOS?
In my case, I am.Who is to say, aside
from poor driver support perhaps, that WINE + Linux isn't the way to go?
Yes, you're right. 0.4.0 will see a big UI overhaul.Optimistically speaking, maybe there will be a series of breakthroughs and a decision will
be made to skip 0.3.11 and go straight to 0.4.0. I get the impression to reach 0.4.0 though
that user interface improvements have to happen and networking has to smooth out.
The only fustrated person appears to be you. Everyone else knows and understands the situationIs it worth the frustration that will unavoidably be involved to
make ReactOS what everyone wants it to be?
Who?Surely another option is to improve Linux,
get more people to write software for Linux, and create an interface that feels like Windows.
I think we all wouldI would like to see the ReactOS project pick up some paid programmers.
I had no idea you did positive notesOn a positive note
Wouldn't we all.I'd like to see ReactOS gain a major improvement that deserves a new release number every
2 months. I'd like to see ReactOS reach beta.
Everything possible from our limited resources.What work is being done to get ReactOS coming together in
a reasonable time frame?
If you took some time to look around the site, you would already know what is holding back the release.Excuse me Ged, you never did mention in detail what it is that is stopping ReactOS 0.3.11 from coming out.
Well, we don't try to get a Linux compatible OS, do we?! Of course Windows is the only OS that matters for us. And if Ged says that Linux's Architecture sucks, then its his opinion (which I fully support btw). We already know that all opinions that differ to yours are pure blasphemy of course. Ged will be punished in hell for that at a later time.nute wrote:Another difference is that the people working on the other projects do not seem to be prejudiced against Linux or any other operating system for that matter. Windows seems to be treated by this community as if it is the ONLY OS that matters.
Err, WHAT??!? I run Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit on a 1 GB Notebook and 64 Bit on a 2GB PC right now. They both work GREAT. I even build ROS on the Notebook DAILY. Whoever your source is, he has no experience with Windows at all!nute wrote:I'm not convinced that Windows is a stable platform despite what this community says. Why does Windows 7 need 4-6 gigabytes of ram to run stably?
As Ged already said, we don't move slowly There are dozens of commits every week and thousands between the releases. And If you would follow Ged's invitation to leave the forums and finally come to the places where real development takes place, you would know that! Of course you did not read this, because is does not fit in your argumentation. I understand that, arguments against your standpoint will just be ignored just as all answers we gave you. Otherwise it would be too difficult to troll more and more if you start to loose your ideas due to our arguments...nute wrote:I never said that the ReactOS project is dead, but it is dying. Missing the 2 month release cycle by 2-3 months is not a positive development. If this continues to happen time and time again, this project will be moving pretty slowly if at all in the
If people ask many questions, I really like that. But if this person has a demanding writing and insults any ppl who don't give him as answer what he wants them to, then I start to get really distracted!nute wrote:Instead of banning someone from the forums for "asking too many questions," maybe it would be
wiser to reevaluate the policy of keeping everything that is in the forums indefinitely.
As I said. Its our opinion and you have to respect that! I use Windows every day and have found it to be more reliable than Linux.nute wrote:Linux's architecture is not crap. I use Linux every day and have found it to be more reliable than Windows.
And all the dependency problems with different Packages are that worst thing I ever had to solve in my whole time using PCs!nute wrote:Packet filtering in Linux is far superior to anything that Windows offers, period.
Err, what??!? I never had to logoff to do anything! I suggest you read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Controlnute wrote:Linux with the way user accounts are implemented is far better at separating users than Windows is. For one thing, you are not logging out of a normal user in X Windows all the time just to do an administrative task the way you have to in Windows land. Linux has a way to allow you to assume the priviledges you need temporarily and drop them after you are done.
We talk about Windows NT, not 9x. NT NEVER EVER was based on DOS! Read some facts before you try to argument with us!nute wrote:Linux has been designed with networking in mind from day one unlike Windows which was originally a quasi OS running on top of a dos system.
Well, we have some drivers at least, Linux not...nute wrote:If Windows is so great and NT is the ultimate, why are there driver issues in Vista and WIndows 7?
See my argument above.nute wrote:The driver model for Vista and 7 is different than the driver model for XP and it is causing problems with some hardware.
Do you ever read our posts??! I said I BUILD ROS ON IT, HELLOOO?!? READ MEEEE!nute wrote:I know that the memory requirements for 7 are 1 gigabyte minimum, which seems ridiculous just to run the operating system.
Theres a difference between Linux and GNU/Linux. Another time: Read some facts before you try to argument with us!nute wrote:Linux is not just a kernel by the way. For Linus perhaps it is just a kernel, but Linux usually means the kernel plus everything else that is in a typical distribution.
I have three requests too:nute wrote:I have 3 very simple requests:
1) Stop badmouthing Linux.
2) Stop saying that Windows in it's current remake is perfect. If it is, there's hardly any reason for ReactOS.
3) Don't threaten people who use the forum with banning.
Mixing up Windows 9x with NT shows your complete ignorance in terms of NT architecture. Pardon me... proves. You managed to show that ignorance way before.nute wrote: Linux has been designed with networking in mind from day one unlike Windows which was originally
a quasi OS running on top of a dos system.
What driver issues? Vista has a new sound/network stack, whereas Windows 7 - a new WDDM. Its quite clear that you need a proper driver with support of new stack. Mostly its up to the device manufacturer to supply those, alas in Windows 7 there is a great chance for you to have most of the devices working ootb, or having drivers ready to download from Windows Update, if only your hardware is not medieval.nute wrote:If Windows is so great and NT is the ultimate, why are there driver issues in Vista and WIndows 7?
Either its a question and you require an answer from me or its a statement and you are providing it. I wont respond to this grammatical monster.nute wrote:Why are so many people sticking with Windows XP because either A they don't want to deal with
digital restrictions management or b they are afraid that their programs won't work?
Why are you asking about driver issues if you respond to your question (albeit not exactly correctly) after few sentences?nute wrote:The driver model for Vista and 7 is different than the driver model for XP and it is causing problems with some hardware.
Wrong. I was able to run Windows 7 on 512MB of RAM (virtual machine) and still had 200 MB of ram free (counting system cache as used). You need 1 GB for normal operation, as for example your beloved opensource Firefox can eat up to 600 MB...I know that the memory requirements for 7 are 1 gigabyte minimum, which seems ridiculous just to run the
Wrong. Linux is a kernel. GNU/Linux is Linux with GNU toolset. Distributions tend to have their own names. Please be specific and dont use colloquial terms in your discussion.Linux is not just a kernel by the way. For Linus perhaps it is just a kernel, but Linux usually means the
kernel plus everything else that is in a typical distribution.
No religious stuff please. Microsoft is a commercial enterprise, that is supposed to maximize income. Fitting it into ideological terms is inappropriate.I'm very concerned about the current Windows driver model insofar as Microsoft has sold it's soul to the
recording industry and is borderline stepping on people's fair use rights. ReactOS can correct that mistake
perhaps, but it may mean that new drivers have to be written for much of the hardware that is out now
without the digital restrictions management stuff.