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Black_Fox wrote:I don't see the point (said diplomatically). If everyone's vaccinated except for a few select ones, nobody will get ill as there are only the already ill carriers and the immune ones. Also, with the health system becoming business for pharmaceutical companies instead of a way to make people healthier, I very much understand the aversion against anything that is not really necessary. There is not a vaccine against every disease, there are some with very probable strong side effects (what the hell? should be (near-)dead viruses). It also creates a false idea that one can throw away healthy lifestyle and instead become immortal by vaccination and pills. That said, I agree with some kind of a "basic set" to keep some of the worse diseases away.

The computer world analogy can be that prevention and protection against the majority of malware is the most practical solution. No antivirus, paid or unpaid, can stop absolutely all mallware. Even if we are led to believe that paid will do it 100% :-)
Briefly, there are other kinds of vaccines, but the concept is still inoculating something similar to the virus so the immune system adapt. About people believing they can change a healthy lifestyle by pills and vaccines, you can not blame vaccines for ignorance, and a correctly informed individual (when there isn't gross side effects) would choose BOTH vaccines and healthy lifestyle.

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DOSGuy wrote:
If you're part of a botnet or infecting your friends and family with viruses, you're not being a good netizen. People who refuse to use anti-virus software are like people who refuse to get vaccinated: they threaten the health of everyone around them.
When it comes to HPV and computer viruses, there are other ways to protect yourself and others without vaccines or AV programs, and that is avoiding certain behaviors/places. Windows itself up to Win 7 has gotten more resistant to nasties (Win 8 is another matter). I don't run a realtime AV, but I do occasional scans. Being a power user, I have a finer sense of what degraded performance is. At least under XP, I knew the Windows folders almost like the back of my hand, so if extra files got added, I would notice them. Of course, most of the nasties are startup worms and not that hard to at least neuter. Then once you get back in, you can clean the remnants. The rootkits are the really nasty ones, and I've only encountered that once, and that was on a friend's PC. They went to porno sites, crack sites, did file-sharing, and constantly installed "free games" and software I've never heard of. Then there was the hardware, with no built-in buffer overrun protection. I know a little about modifying a program while it is running and have done that under DOS. While there were legitimate uses, it was really not the best practice, since compatibility was a problem (things that would run on Pentium but not on a 486, because they handled caching differently, thus introducing a race condition on some processors).

Back to the initial topic, I think PCs with ReactOS preinstalled is a good idea. We just need to be more stable. The last time I checked this would not run on a Dell Dimension (modified 2400 with Pentium 4 at slightly over 3 Ghz). Nor would it run on a Athlon 64 dual core system, I think on an Asus board and with an nVidia chipset, I'd have to look it up. I have no clue about whether it will work on a Sandy Bridge based system as I am running now (Asus board, Intel chipset) - I haven't burned it lately and tried. But Reactos would be a way to breath new life in older PCs and run software that Microsoft might abandon in the not too distant future.

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Black_Fox wrote:I don't see the point (said diplomatically). If everyone's vaccinated except for a few select ones, nobody will get ill as there are only the already ill carriers and the immune ones.
There are the already ill, the immune, and those who aren't ill yet. The situation in Wales is that an unethical person published fake results in 1998 to convince people that the MMR vaccine (mumps, measles and rubella) caused autism (allegedly so that he could get rich selling his own vaccine). Vaccination rates dropped throughout the UK, which was followed by significantly increased rates of measles and mumps, resulting in deaths and severe and permanent injuries. When you choose not be vaccinated, or choose not to vaccinate your children, you not only run the risk of acquiring the illness yourself, but you infect other people who haven't been vaccinated. Measles isn't a sexually transmitted disease, so I'm not sure what behavior/places one could avoid to prevent infection, short of demanding that everyone around you reveal whether or not they had the MMR vaccine, or walking around in a HAZMAT suit all the time. Dealing with these outbreaks costs taxpayers more money than it would have cost to vaccinate those who became ill and, of course, it's bad for society in general whenever someone dies unnecessarily.

Anyway, it's the old "ounce of prevention" adage that your grandparents taught you. It's cheaper (in terms of money and effort) to install a free anti-virus program than to remove a virus from your computer, and the computer of everyone else you infected; and it's cheaper (in terms of money and loss of life) to get vaccinated rather than needlessly get sick and infect others.
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ReactOS kiosk? Something like this one? :lol: Kiosk - Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiosk[ external image ]
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That would be cool. I wouldn't spend any money on it until we're much closer to having a finished product to show off, though.
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DOSGuy wrote:Vaccination rates dropped throughout the UK, which was followed by significantly increased rates of measles and mumps
Aren't these the illnesses that are traditionally "immunized" by bringing the ill child to all his school friends to infect them since it gets dangerous only at adult age? (Language barrier maybe). Or maybe it's just how we did it in central Europe & further to the east (at least 15 years ago), while others simply go get a shot.

My original points stand - 1) There's not a vaccine for everything. 2) I don't see any threat in the non-vaccinated people for those vaccinated. Could you try to explain that one once again?
Here's a chart that kind of supports my theory that vaccination is nice to have for specific issues, but hygiene and healthy lifestyle is the generic soulution. I wanted to find a half-sarcastic quote of George Carlin on the topic instead, but had no luck.

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A non-vaccinated person are not a "direct" threat to the individuals that are vaccinated. They are however a threat to the greater society and therefore an indirect threat to the vaccinated. If there are enough of them and an infection occurs, they become the medium in which an epidemic can break out. Not only are they themselves removed from the workforce, they also consume resources being cared for, increasing the strain on the people that are healthy. And since the cause of any such epidemic is squarely the fault of the people who declined to be vaccinated, they have just screwed over not just themselves but the vaccinated. In that case, they are certainly a threat.

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I have my own opinion on the Wakefield situation. Others may disagree, and I am not up to a debate. I think some of his study was true and that others set up to discredit it by inserting a red herring. If you look at his conclusions, he said nothing about mercury or Thimersol. That is not the only possible way it can cause brain damage. Maybe the "industry" had suspicions. The only way to shake everyone off the truth is to take it to the absurd extreme, prove it false, and discredit the entire thing. So maybe the industry put the Thimersol hypothesis out there as a twisted interpretation of Wakefield.

But lets just assume the mercury theory was true for a moment. Why would some become autistic and some wouldn't? That would mean it was either genetic or other factors. I have a unifying theory that has room for this and other theories so even if this notion is wrong, my theory could hold weight without it.

But there are other theories as to how vaccines *might* be linked. Again, lets assume they are true for sake of argument. One is ischemia, and another is excessive reaction (too much of a good thing). Yet another is an allergic reaction. These factors could be mitigated by less vaccines per injection (once there were 2-3 at at time, now more like 6-8), and lower doses, perhaps even several of the same thing and increased with each dose. The idea is to make it more gradual. Or even weight until more crucial brain development is done. But there is another factor, and it ties to the unifying theory I haven't given yet. That is vitamin D.

Vitamin D deficiency explains many of the inconsistencies. For instance, if Thimersol was responsible, that would be why one child could handle trace amounts, but not another. Vitamin D has some neuroprotective effects and helps modulate the immune system, thus helping mitigate other vaccine-related things. Vitamin D deficiency also can explain the autism gender divide (more boys get it). So even if we don't stop certain suspect vaccines, simply promoting Vitamin D (or responsible sun exposure) and spreading out the vaccines more might help a bit.

As for the dynamics of autism and vitamin D, lets look at the whole picture. The number of incidents seem to be increasing. I have two theories on that. One is that we have more awareness, better records, and more reporting. But there is another factor. The American Academy of Pediatrics started warning against infant exposure to UV light and there was this overblown UV scare. Ironically, gradually increased sun exposure reduces the worst of the skin cancers (basil cell carcinoma would still increase, but melanoma would decrease - I will explain the opposite finding). However, it has to be gradual and sustained, not binge exposure. People who tan in beds get binge exposure, and that increases melanoma. However, people in Southern California get less melanoma than people in Northern California. Anyway, while the AAP recommended against infants getting sun, the US RDA cut their recommendation for Vitamin D in toddlers to 1/2 (400 IU to 200 IU). The former AAP recommendation is 400 (until they capitulated to the RDA), and while that might be too low in today's society, it is better than the US RDA recommendation of 200. The US RDA needs to adjust Vitamin D recommendations to reflect modern habits, sun phobia, indoor lifestyles, etc. The US RDA is antiquated since the charts were established when everyone ate fresh food and worked outside. They also need more recommendation brackets. For instance, an elderly, bed-ridden African American should get at least 7000 IU per day. A lack of Vitamin D is also linked to flu/infections, obesity, high blood pressure, and diabetes. These are all modern problems, and more so among ethnic minorities.

It is interesting to note that the AAP warned against sun exposure at the same time they cut their own Vitamin D recommendations. So maybe most autism cases are iatrogenic (doctor-caused). It seems like an oversight.

PS., Breastfeeding can give partial immunity without vaccines if the mother was vaccinated. Breastfeeding makes the immune system stronger when compared to bottle feeding. But, the mother should have high vitamin D levels. Often, the mothers who breastfeed are deficient themselves, and that can increase autism risk unless the infant is getting supplements (I say at 3-4 times the US government recommended levels).

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Today I learnt something new, thank you :)

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1) That guy fabricated his data. Others have proven he fabricated his results. That makes any inferences by anyone based on his data or his conclusions suspect.

2) What clinical data do you have to back up your idea to justify calling it a theory and not pure speculation? While the general populace tends to misuse the word theory when in a scientific context, I am going to enforce the correct usage of it here due to the context in which it was used.

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Black_Fox wrote:Today I learnt something new, thank you :)
I wouldn't go by everything I said. The first 3 paragraphs are opinion. A lot of the rest I picked up from the Vitamin D Council. There may be some connection to the tanning bed industry, but I am not sure. There are a lot of things that can be fixed or prevented by diet alone (eliminate artificial sweeteners and MSG, increase fish oil and vitamin D). It seems that a lot of doctors are scared of vitamin D for some reason, though there is little reason. Yes, you can overdose, but it would take a lot, and about every case would have to be dietary or injected. There seems to be no way to overdose on the vitamin from sunlight (the skin gets darker, the enzymes get depleted, the conversion stops, etc).

As for testing about 30-40 nm/ml (or whatever unit it is) is good. Some autistic persons get some improvement when it approaches at least 60-70. It seems another factor here are genetic polymorphisms I didn't mention. Those are "mutations" that large populations have. So some don't use the vitamin as efficiently as others. So when you combine that and all the other things like no sun, low dietary intake, male gender (slightly less efficient use of Vitamin D), etc., then a vaccine just might push their system over the edge. But it could be the normal actions, not necessarily any mercury, allergies, mycoplasma contamination (though more likely than the mercury issue). Inflammation is a normal immune reaction to any supposed threat. I am not necessarily blaming the vaccines, since if you have the variant VDR genes and other risk factors, then any real infection could trigger things as well during the time the brain is forming. So even if the vaccine thing plays a role, it is likely very minor.

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Perhaps a stand alone little store like the one Best Buy is going to open?
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/bes ... 2009-06-24
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It is cool to imagine what it might look like. :D (IMO).
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I think that React OS will never have a store. I am not trying to troll, but it is fact. Look at the guy who wanted to sell React OS DVD's for peat sake. He had to ask before he could do anything. That is a sign that React OS is doomed. I mean come on you don't see that with other Open Source OS's! If that happened over DVD's then imagion how the devlopers would flip if someone started selling Laptops with ROS on them. Then even if the React OS devs do aprove how do we know they won't add a React OS tax, wait I read that thread and they said they would have to add some sort of fee because they do all the work on ROS (Nothing wrong with that?). Two points void, you also say that ROS might be sellable at 1.0. I don't think that ROS could ever reach 1.0. Why, simple WINE!. ROS version of Wine is very out dated. 1.6 RC is now out and the compatablity with Wine is a joke. I mean come on even the Wine devlopers admited that Wine will never come close to replaseing Windows and ROS uses a small part of it. Also React OS has a Software Manager, sure it is ugly as hell, does not fully work, and crashes React OS like Windows ME (but it still works). Should it be spiced up a bit, yes. Do I even have to mention the look of ROS, it is old looking and most people want some thing that looks like Vista or at least has transpericy You. So not only do you have compatablity issues and devlopment legal issues, but the OS as a whole needs a face lift. I mean who would want to develope or test React OS when the community is hostil like a hornits nest. I mean come on, not even the Arch community is this bad! You want and example, just look at the driver issue, yes I am going there! It is like a civial war in that thread. Who cares what drivers you use as long as they are open and they work! So you add all this up and you can see why no OEM would want to touch React OS. Do I like the project, of chorse why do you all think I put up with all the crap on these forums for then. I am just saying that both the OS and the community needs a little work before any company backs it.

Now the virus thing. Only a fool would run Windows with out an AntiVirus. Do you know how easy it was to get a virus in 2005, too easy! I got one on youtube and it desroyed our familys computer that ran Vista and not even Nortan stoped it. (yells"Curse you Nortan AntiVirus!!!) Now is Windows 7 "secure", I would say it is the most secure other then Windows CE and Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs ("WinFLP") http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Fu ... Legacy_PCs. If you need a Microsoft Unix systom then you can use Xenix. Now if you want the best secure servers then you would want FreeBSD, or some Linux Server. Syllable also is good as it has no viruses as it has a very, very, very, very, very small market share. Then again Microsoft also has the Singularity based line now two. I never have to worry about viruses, but if you do a proxy server might help a little. also you could set up a pi to act like a fourth file wall and to inspect all trafic.

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ReactOS is a registered trademark or a trademark of ReactOS Foundation in the United States and other countries.
Thats why every selling stuff that comes with the word "ReactOS" requires permission for being sold. It happens to every registered trademark.

ReactOS is not doomed, you should have more faith, if you want a faster development, you can help donating, testing and spreading the word :)

If we all help, ReactOS will grow faster!

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@LinuxGamer94: I'm guessing that you're not a programmer. With all due respect, you just argued that ReactOS will never reach 1.0 because of some very trivial issues. Writing a working operating system from scratch is a monumental task when you don't have to be compatible with any other operating system. Writing an operating system from scratch that has to be compatible with the software, drivers, and structure of a closed source operating system is almost impossible. What ReactOS has achieved so far is incredible, and once the current work on the memory manager and cache controller are completed, ROS should make significant gains in stability and compatibility. Compared to those tasks, using a default theme that looks less "old" and improving RAPPS are a piece of cake! Those things aren't a priority right now, nor should they be.

I have no idea what the virus rant is about. ReactOS will support antivirus software and firewall software. Will an unprotected ROS computer be as safe as unprotected Windows 7 PC? Actually, in some ways it will. ReactOS uses no Windows code, so it works differently and has an entirely different set of vulnerabilities. But since no one uses ReactOS, virus writers won't be targeting it. Security through obscurity: it worked for Apple. Besides which, there's a reason why there aren't many Linux viruses, and it's not just about secure code or market share. Virus writers tend to be Linux users and they don't like to attack their own community. ReactOS is free and open source, which is something that hackers respect, and its success could harm Microsoft, which they really respect, so they have little incentive to target ROS and plenty of reason not to.

Everyone wants ROS to be done tomorrow. Unless some rich benefactor decides to pay the entire development team to quit their jobs and work on ROS full time, it's not going to be done any time soon. You just have to be patient; complaining about it isn't going to help. Many of us have been waiting a lot longer than you have, and I can tell you that I can see a huge difference between where it was and where it is now. Development isn't slowing down, it's speeding up. This is an exciting time in the history of ROS. Enjoy it!
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