[ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..

Fri Oct 21 13:14:24 UTC 2005

I don't see these products which are available for managing MS Windows into a more streamlined OS as being particularly against ReactOS. To me they are just a way of trying to get the bloated and sloppy Windows to work a bit better until the alternative is mature enough to use all day, every day. When ReactOS achieves this I will dump MS Windows, but till then I try to make the best of it. In a way, the fact that these system management utilities exist can help the ReactOS project 'get it right' where Microsoft failed. 
DOS dead ? Maybe MS-DOS, yes, and possibly IBM's PC-DOS in the near future - but there are several other DOS variants, DR-DOS and Freedoms for example, which have a useful place in the grand scheme of things. Like the way Partition Magic uses DR-DOS to provide an op system to boot from floppy. Very useful on either new, virgin machines or when you've got hard drive problems. 
Can't trust Microsoft ?   I believe the one group of people who CAN trust Microsoft are their shareholders. 
Kevin.     

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jwalsh at bigpond.net.au [mailto:jwalsh at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: 20 October 2005 23:43
> To: ReactOS General List
> Cc: Kevin Lawton
> Subject: RE: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> 
> 
> Well, there it is Kevin, suddenly a Window of opportunity is opening.
> It looks good, but I must warn you to read the fine print:
> This product seems to go against the intersts ReactOS.
> 
>  1. So far it supports Windows 2000, XP x86/x64 and 2003 x86/x64 
> all languages.   Windows Vista will be supported as well.
> 
> I may be wrong here, but why not just say DOS or Fat32?
> 
> 2. It needs at least .NET Framework 1.1 in order to run it...
> 
> Now I have no doubt that DOS is on the way out. 
> 
> She is desparate to dump her old following and Australia won't 
> take them anymore. This dump site is closed.
> 
> But I will study it more closely and apologise if I am wrong.
> 
> My acute sense of distrust (my worst feature) tells me  Ms is 
> turning bad luck into another good fortune again. 
> 
> Why Justin not give then a chance.? I will, I will, but...
> 
> Please ReactOS, watch your back (office).
> 
> Hmmm???
> 
> Cheers ans rosuccess
> Justin
>  
> ---- TwoTailedFox <twotailedfox at gmail.com> wrote: 
> > Kevin, if you're looking to slim down Windows 2000 (Or XP/2003, for
> > that matter), check out nLite: http://www.nliteos.com
> > 
> > On 10/20/05, Kevin Lawton <kepla at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > I had not heard of this 'LitePC' thing before - it sounds 
> almost too good to be true.
> > > Thanks for the info - I will be giving it a try to trim my 
> Win 2000 installations down to a more sensible size.
> > > Been down the Linux road too but, when you consider the 
> current bulkiness of the more 'useful' Linux distros and the 
> difficulties of using it with modern toys like phones or cameras, 
> I find I have to keep Windows hanging around - at least until 
> ReactOS is 'all present and correct'. FreeBSD is an interesting 
> option for Unix-like-ness on a PC, with Cygwin and Win4Lin having 
> their place too.
> > > Dunno about ros-insane, maybe it should be ros-inspired.
> > > Plenty of new things to play with now.  :-)
> > > Kevin.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ros-general-bounces at reactos.org
> > > > [mailto:ros-general-bounces at reactos.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > jwalsh at bigpond.net.au
> > > > Sent: 20 October 2005 05:08
> > > > To: ReactOS General List
> > > > Cc: Robert Köpferl
> > > > Subject: Re: [ros-general] OK, Time for a few words..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If I may add my 2 cents worth.
> > > > I too have a spot in my heart for Linux Gui's, both KDE and Gnome.
> > > > However the overheads are too high. So I have 3 three Thinkspads
> > > > on the net.
> > > > and a comfortable swivel chair.
> > > > IMHO Linux is toooo fat and slow and badly designed, before I get
> > > > flamed it is only MHO.
> > > > So I have tried to compromise (on Particulars, not on Principles).
> > > > This was my strategy (for what it is worth):
> > > > Please remember it is only MHO, and not set in concrete.
> > > >  I chose the first Linux distro off the block i.e. Slackware
> > > > because it stuck to basic principles. Yes as simple as that. The
> > > > old 1440 KB floppy disk (about the size of my limited imagination).
> > > > I chose a basic Windows32 platform i.e. 9x
> > > > Then I worked on the tiny Linux's (Monkey Linux, and pocket Linux)
> > > > Until I discovered Pat Villani's  :
> > > >     Linux for Windows 9X
> > > >        Home page: http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv/
> > > >        Download:
> > > > ftp://opensourcedepot.com/pub/linux/WinLin9X/v0.2/setup.exe
> > > >       Author: Pat Villani (http://www.monmouth.com/user_pages/patv)
> > > >       Mailing list: lin4win at opensourcedepot.com
> > > >  It was great, it sat neatly in 18 MB.
> > > > Then I asked myself, "what the heck am I doing with nearly half a
> > > > gig of Windows98se?"
> > > > Not wanting to bring Microsoft down on my financially poor head:
> > > > I downloaded Australian product called 98Lite from LitePC.com
> > > > (trial version)
> > > > I liked it so much I bought the real  thing.
> > > >  It gave me the opportunity to unbolt everything which Microsoft
> > > > told the courts was not possible to do.
> > > >  There she was, stripped from nearly half a gig to 50mb, stark
> > > > naked, but looking like Homer Simpson.
> > > >  The speed increase was fantastic. Now I am going for 30 mb, then
> > > > 16, then 8, then .......
> > > > The full story would take too long to tell, so I will leave 
> it at that.
> > > > Suffice to say I have now dumped Linux and gone back to 
> Unix BSD and bash.
> > > > That is when met Minsys and it was a good feeling.
> > > > I was Bourne again, bash'ed about the head, so to speak.
> > > > Oh I forgot there is a need for one extra doorway off ros-general
> > > >  especially for me.
> > > > Mark it ros-insane.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers and rosuccess
> > > >
> > > > Justin
> > > >
> > > > ---- "Robert Köpferl" <rob at koepferl.de> wrote:
> > > > > Hhmmm, what you tink of is what I call a GDI-Port+win32 of xfree.
> > > > > etc
> > > > > Richard Campbell wrote:
> > > > > > XFree86 has already been ported to windows, whats the point
> > > > in a ROS port?
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > > Robert Köpferl wrote:
> > > > > > etc
> > > > > >> It should be possible to port Xfree86 to ROS (be it win32 or
> > > > posix) as
> > > > > >> it has been proted to os2.
> > > > > >>etc
> > > > > >> TwoTailedFox wrote:
> > > > > >> etc
> > > > > >>> I've seen quite a few users propose ideas, such as a 
> new GUI, or new
> > > > > >>> functionality, only to be told it doesn't fit in with the
> > > > Core Goal of
> > > > > >>> ReactOS.
> > > > > >>> etc
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