[ros-dev] Networking

Wed Oct 27 15:17:49 UTC 2010

" Considering the difficulty you seem to think it brings, I've easily read 
pretty much all the emails on both ros-dev and ros-diffs every day for the 
past 8 years."

considering nothing is being posted here it's not that big of an achievment.

about the IRC bit.. you were there for a long long time back when you were 
more active but I understand that you don't have any urge to care about it 
now. what is the point? also not to nitpick but you certainly did look at 
the irc chat and you also wrote something...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ged Murphy" <gedmurphy at gmail.com>
To: "'ReactOS Development List'" <ros-dev at reactos.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking

> It's not messy at all.
> It's strange you think that because mailing lists work well for pretty 
> much
> every other project out there. Why is reactos different?
>
> Considering the difficulty you seem to think it brings, I've easily read
> pretty much all the emails on both ros-dev and ros-diffs every day for the
> past 8 years.
> I haven't looked at the IRC chat once this week, nor do I have an 
> particular
> interest to.
>
> Ged.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org] On
> Behalf Of Kamil Hornicek
> Sent: 27 October 2010 15:50
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
> "I regularly have email conversations with people interested in joining as
> the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still forwards to me.
> It's
> really not that hard."
>
> yeah and why do you hide them in your secret bubble??
>
> no seriously. you can have private conversations via email.. but when
> multiple people join in it gets messy very quickly. do you see how
> ridiculously this message looks after few replies? html emails, citing 
> over
> and above the original text, lenghty signatures. it's pain to read this. 
> as
> for being hidden the irc channel is clearly mentioned on the web page so
> it's not like we are going undercover. as I said before - if you can find
> the mailing list, you can find the irc.
>
> k.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Ged Murphy
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
>
> I wasn't referring to this particular request, I'm just making a general
> point.
>
> Reactos likes to hide itself away from the world in its little IRC bubble.
> This is great if you're a private group but not when you're a public 
> entity
> trying to attract outside interest.
>
> Even the website is full of incorrect info.
>
> How on earth reactos is meant to attract people is beyond me.
>
> Ged.
>
> p.s. I regularly have email conversations with people interested in 
> joining
> as the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still forwards to 
> me.
>
> It's really not that hard.
>
>
> From: ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org] On
> Behalf Of Olaf Siejka
> Sent: 27 October 2010 15:22
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
> Look, before you guys start venting off, please at least try to understand
> what are you really getting mad about. As much as you seem to hate
> communicating via IRC, personally i see no other way of introducing 
> someone
> to ROS fundamentals, including (but not limited to):
>
> - necessary tools
> - checkout layount
> - compilation commands
> - vm setup
> - debug setup
> and many many more. I need at least 30-60 minutes to pass this information
> via irc, as well as get immediate feedback on any problems. But no! This
> undermines the purpose of THIS maillist!!!!
>
> Dou you REALLY want me to do it via ros-dev maillist??!!!
>
> 2010/10/27 cheer_xiao <xiaqqaix at gmail.com>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Ged Murphy <gedmurphy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aagghhhhh!!! Why is everything always done over IRC????
>>
>>
>>
>> The neglection of the reactos mailing lists is one of this _big_ things
>> this
>> project does wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          It forces the community into a sort of hidden niche group and
>> alienates people who don't use IRC
>>
>> -          It gives the impression that reactos activity is low. There 
>> are
>> thousands of people who follow this project aren't on IRC and have no 
>> idea
>> of what is going on.
>>
>> -          It arguably deters new people from joining because they can't
>> really get to grips with the project without becoming a slave to IRC
>>
>> -          It means important discussions are missed, even by the core
>> team,
>> if they aren't watching the IRC chat 24/7 or miss a PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I could go on and on with reasons of why you neglect the mailing lists is
>> so
>> harmful, but I fear no one will listen to my cries.
>>
>> Maybe I should vent my frustration in IRC for the niche community, and we
>> can all have an internal discussion about it???
> As a undergraduate of CS I subscribed to this mailing list a year or
> two ago, hoping to keep informed about what's going on within the
> project, and perhaps that someday I could find something that really
> interests me and help it out. But according to Ged it is quite
> frustrating that most people prefer IRC, for you know, we have 24 time
> zones on earth and I'm on the opposite side from most people on this
> project. The IRC is also potentially making the project
> time-zone-restricted.
>
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