[ros-dev] Networking

[Adam Kachwalla]

Not much of a "private conversation" is possible on a mailing list either.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:50:23 +1100, Kamil Hornicek  
<kamil.hornicek at reactos.org> wrote:

> "I regularly have email conversations with people interested in joining  
> as the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still forwards to  
> me. It's really not that hard."
>
> yeah and why do you hide them in your secret bubble??
>
> no seriously. you can have private conversations via email.. but when  
> multiple people join in it gets messy very quickly. do you see how  
> ridiculously this message looks after few replies? html emails, citing  
> over and above the original text, lenghty signatures. it's pain to read  
> this. as for being hidden the irc channel is clearly mentioned on the  
> web page so it's not like we are going undercover. as I said before - if  
> you can find the mailing list, you can find the irc.
>
> k.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ged Murphy
> To: 'ReactOS Development List'
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
>
> I wasn't referring to this particular request, I'm just making a general  
> point.
>
> Reactos likes to hide itself away from the world in its little IRC  
> bubble.
> This is great if you're a private group but not when you're a public  
> entity trying to attract outside interest.
>
> Even the website is full of incorrect info.
>
> How on earth reactos is meant to attract people is beyond me.
>
> Ged.
>
> p.s. I regularly have email conversations with people interested in  
> joining as the [dev dash interest at reactos.org] mail address still  
> forwards to me. It's really not that hard.
>
>
> From: ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org [mailto:ros-dev-bounces at reactos.org]  
> On Behalf Of Olaf Siejka
> Sent: 27 October 2010 15:22
> To: ReactOS Development List
> Subject: Re: [ros-dev] Networking
>
> Look, before you guys start venting off, please at least try to  
> understand what are you really getting mad about. As much as you seem to  
> hate communicating via IRC, personally i see no other way of introducing  
> someone to ROS fundamentals, including (but not limited to):
>
> - necessary tools
> - checkout layount
> - compilation commands
> - vm setup
> - debug setup
> and many many more. I need at least 30-60 minutes to pass this  
> information via irc, as well as get immediate feedback on any problems.  
> But no! This undermines the purpose of THIS maillist!!!!
>
> Dou you REALLY want me to do it via ros-dev maillist??!!!
>
> 2010/10/27 cheer_xiao <xiaqqaix at gmail.com>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Ged Murphy <gedmurphy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aagghhhhh!!! Why is everything always done over IRC????
>>
>>
>>
>> The neglection of the reactos mailing lists is one of this _big_ things  
>> this
>> project does wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          It forces the community into a sort of hidden niche group and
>> alienates people who don't use IRC
>>
>> -          It gives the impression that reactos activity is low. There  
>> are
>> thousands of people who follow this project aren't on IRC and have no  
>> idea
>> of what is going on.
>>
>> -          It arguably deters new people from joining because they can't
>> really get to grips with the project without becoming a slave to IRC
>>
>> -          It means important discussions are missed, even by the core  
>> team,
>> if they aren't watching the IRC chat 24/7 or miss a PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I could go on and on with reasons of why you neglect the mailing lists  
>> is so
>> harmful, but I fear no one will listen to my cries.
>>
>> Maybe I should vent my frustration in IRC for the niche community, and  
>> we
>> can all have an internal discussion about it???
> As a undergraduate of CS I subscribed to this mailing list a year or
> two ago, hoping to keep informed about what's going on within the
> project, and perhaps that someday I could find something that really
> interests me and help it out. But according to Ged it is quite
> frustrating that most people prefer IRC, for you know, we have 24 time
> zones on earth and I'm on the opposite side from most people on this
> project. The IRC is also potentially making the project
> time-zone-restricted.
>
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