[ros-dev] Bye bye

David Johnson davidjohnson.johnson at gmail.com
Thu Jan 19 22:50:23 CET 2006

On 1/19/06, Steven Edwards <winehacker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> On 1/19/06, Alex Ionescu <ionucu at videotron.ca> wrote:
> > 1) Those magic sizes were calculated in my head and I didn't have time
> > 2) This is not a matter of driver compatibility. The fast system call
> In regards to points 1 and 2 your explanation can be left up to the
> other developers to decide. When Hartmut, Filip, Art, and every other
> developer on irc/email says there is a problem I tend to believe them.
> I think the kernel developers should decide if there are violations
> and remove any cod that is found to be offending. I think that if it
> was all implemented in the methods you described then no, its not as
> bad a violation as its made out to be. However its still a issue.
> > 3) I find the idea of removing code that "Violates policy" ludicrous. No
> > one has the right to dermine if some piece of code violates policy or
> > not, especially if the author writing it denies it. Only a judge or
> > lawyer should be able to make that decision. Additionally, in this
> I guess we never should have reverted Jon Wilsons patches that were
> copy/pasted from MSDN because they were just function prototypes and
> not real code. No the same rules apply. What point is there in having
> rules if we don't hold to them?
> > specific case, what could be done? The code is in SVN and even if
> > rewritten it will 1) look the same, excpt "edx" would become "esi" and
> > vice-versa 2) a judge would still argue that "hey, you had the previous
> > code in SVN for over a year, you've all been tainted and could've just
> > as easily looked at it". Furthermore, such attitude might start
> > devolving into a dangerous witchhunt. Don't like someone's code? Report
> > them and have it removed! This communist-era and fascist-era behaviour
> > deeply scares me and reminds me of a country and regime which I fled. I
> > do not want to see it happen, because it would slowly kill and rip apart
> > this project.
> At the risk of pissing off another developer, I have to say it. Your
> development methods and attitude have been doing that. Hartmut is
> leaving because of code he feels is tainted by the methods you use.
> Ge' spends less and less time working on ReactOS because he can't deal
> with your methods or behavior. Blight would not have been so pissed
> off about you breaking KDB if you had not fucked up the formatting at
> the same time you "fixed" it so he could have at least followed the
> code and tried to fix it or added a hack. He might not have even been
> so pissed off had you given a damn and helped him fix it.
> > These monthly Alex-bashings are starting to tire me very much and maybe
> > it's time I took an offensive position instead of a defensive one. I do
> > not want to start naming names, but many of our developers have already
> > violated our policy in different ways. If you actively start enforcing
> > it, then it will be my duty as an active developer to enforce it as
> > well, meaning that hiding any information I have concerning other
> > developers' violations would be considered as complicity, so I would be
> > legally bound to report them. In other words, this would mean that the
> > project would lose half of its developers.
> Now lets get down to it. Lets say even if you have not violated the
> rules we agreed up and all of the developers are wrong about needing
> to revert some of your patches. I do not take well to threats. I do
> not appreciate it, nor does anyone else. I do not want to work with
> you any longer on this project. If you want to make threats, I suggest
> you take your ball and go play somewhere else.
> > I am sick of being treated as the black sheep and the "example". This
> > stops here. I have always been put in the spotlight for almost any
> > action I took, and I've always taken steps to repair it. But these
> > public trials of guilt have passed a limit. Either start questionning
> > everyone and treating every developer the same, or stop using me as a
> tool.
> Stop doing things that drive developers away from this project. If you
> want to try and destroy this project out of some childish revenge then
> come out, make your accusations and be done with it, otherwise play by
> the rules.
> I propose a vote on Hartmuts proposal depending on if he will stay
> with the project
> Audit and rewrite code that is found to violate the IP Policy Doc
> [X] Yes
> [] No
> --
> Steven Edwards - ReactOS and Wine developer
> "There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and
> that is an idea whose time has come." - Victor Hugo
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Audit and rewrite!

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If ROS becomes extinct we will become SD SkyOS UG.

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