[ros-dev] Microsoft Office files in the trunk

[Richard Campbell]

The rule not the exception?  Several open source projects out there have 
a problem with bloat....Firefox (opera is 5.15 mb on disk, Firefox is 
15.7 MB)  I'm not against open source (I wouldn't be on this list if i 
were.) but bloat is something open source developers really need to pay 
more attention to.

Nate DeSimone wrote:

> Time to Load (sec)
> ------------------
> OpenOffice.org 2-----5.5
> Office 2003----------1.2
>
> Memory Usage after Loading
> --------------------------
> OpenOffice.org 2------41.7 MB
> Office 2003-----------15.9 MB
>
>    Also the argument that office "hides" its memory usage since it 
> uses Windows code doesn't seem to have much bearing, if you look at 
> the memory use of it running under crossover in Linux its ~20MB used 
> by all the wine processes, I personally could see wine using 5MB for 
> itself.  I'm sorry to say it but OpenOffice is an absolute hog, it 
> makes Office look lean!  Now I really do like open source software, 
> don't get me wrong.
>    Thankfully the OpenOffice project is not the rule for the open 
> source community, it is the exception.  The problem with OpenOffice is 
> they inherited a horrible codebase from Sun (which was developed in a 
> closed source fashion btw), and unlike the Mozilla project they did 
> not attempt to fix the underlying codebase before jumping right in.  
> If you look at old versions of StarOffice you may notice that it loads 
> up a unified suite, where one app does word processing, spreadsheet... 
> everything.  While OpenOffice has separated the apps from each other, 
> it doesn't appear all of the tightly integrated code has been unwound 
> yet.  When you add all that old code with Java it becomes big.  Then 
> when you consider that the OpenOffice "community" is made up of mostly 
> Sun employees I'm not suprised about the memory requirements *cough* 
> Java *cough*.  At least google is getting involved with the intention 
> of leaning it down a bit.
>
>    Anyway my point is I personally still see good reason to stick with 
> Office, and I hope that the open product becomes up to par in the future.
>
>
>
> Michael B. Trausch wrote:
>
>> Murphy, Ged (Bolton) wrote:
>>  
>>
>>> I disagree with this. I don't know how to use oo.o or variants, and 
>>> I don't
>>> intend on learning something I have no interest in. I'm currently 
>>> putting together a presentation for the speeches I have coming
>>> up on ReactOS. If a rule was put in place where we could only commit
>>> OpenDocument files, I would simply not put it into the repository 
>>> and would
>>> instead share it with anyone who wanted it via email.
>>>
>>> This isn't because I'm being awkward, it's because I have no time or
>>> interest to learn a new office suite .... and I certainly don't want to
>>> install oo.o on my machine.
>>>
>>> I suppose it's this attitude which keeps MS Office up as a monopoly, 
>>> which
>>> now make me realise why they don't want to support OpenDocument.
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I don't know what "learning" there is.  You may have to find something
>> lurking a few items up or down in a menu; however, the things that it
>> can do over that of what Office can do, is pretty amazing.  It's
>> intuitive, and unless you're a heavy VBScript programmer, you wouldn't
>> be disappointed.
>>
>>     - Mike
>>
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